Shooting Civilians

[CodeRedFox]

Gonna be the same guy who ends up posting how the wait times suck

[Haji with a Handgun]

You gotta admit, shooting civis is sadistically fun. The problem with civis is whenever I don't shoot them, I get killed indirectly by them. For every civi that's alive, the Insurgents have a mobile intel gathering machine. This civi could follow your squad around and tell his team where to ambush you. So for me, shooting civis is a tactical decision, not an act of douchbaggery. If civis want to stay alive, they should stay out of sight.

[Unarmed Civilian]

This civi could follow your squad around and tell his team where to ambush you.

Among other things that's the reason why the Civilian is on the game, as there are millions of collaborators out there in real life as well. Problem is in-game there are no populance around, so for a civilian to remain out of sight is quite of a hard task, but not impossible. Shooting civilians for, as you said, "tactical decision" IMO is acceptable, but the penatly for doing so should be raised.

Edit: I say "raise" because normaly in most servers there are two to zero civilians around. People lose interest in playing as a Civilian because BLUEFOR just don't give much of a damn about the penalties and kill civilians for frag and joy.

[Dev1200]

It's like this:


Using an epi, resus, grabbing kit, or getting in a vehicle within 1-2 mins = No punish for BLUFOR


It should be:

That, plus if you HARM a civilian, you can -1 to -2 intel removed, ON TOP OF the current negative intel.

@Ebevan: Your an idiot for gunning down civilians. You waste ammo, and they pose no harm to you. If you want to rambo kill civis, use a shotgun plz. Kthx.

@Haji: You lose more then you gain.

[Haji with a Handgun]

To actually make the civi useful you'd have to have server participation. Just make it a kick/bannable offense to kill civis without reason. I would fucking love it if we had civilian participation, it adds a lot to the game,but like Unarmed said, In this game we have no general populace for the civis to hide in. Another thing is that this game is Team 1 vs. Team 2. Each team knows to shoot at what doesn't say TEAM1 on it. Since there are 0 third party entities, ROE is kinda pointless. You know that whoever you shoot is not on your team. Unless we had some kind of MMO feature that let people live out lives of everyday people in a warzone, people are going to continue to shoot civies.

[PLODDITHANLEY]

Plus you kill a civi - no special kits for ten minutes - although that'll reduce the HAT kits handed over.

[Pirate]

Ehh, you can shoot civis all you want, but it's gonna bite you in the *** in the end. We played a full round of Fallujah with Ytman as commander and he ensured that civis were killed enough to prevent the other team from getting intel. In the end, we didn't lose a single cache and the second cache was revealed only at the end.

Tank gunner had tons of minus points.

[Spec]

have server participation. Just make it a kick/bannable offense to kill civis without reason.

This. That'll probably be the easiest solution for the problem - on servers with enough good admins at least. I'd like the devs to improve the abilities for server admins to quickly identify civkillers and get as much information about the kill circumstances as possible. Like: SomeGuy <Civkilled> SomeOtherGuy at 50m with M67 (civkill 1 by this player)
(Player does not get kicked, for it looks like an accident and is the first one)
AnotherGuy <Civkilled> YetAnotherGuy at 200m with M14 (civkill 5 by this player)
(Player does get kicked, since he's obviously sniping civilians)
or sth.

[TheOldBreed]

this is why BLUFOR need drop weapons....what? haha

[ebevan91]

It's like this:


Using an epi, resus, grabbing kit, or getting in a vehicle within 1-2 mins = No punish for BLUFOR


It should be:

That, plus if you HARM a civilian, you can -1 to -2 intel removed, ON TOP OF the current negative intel.

@Ebevan: Your an idiot for gunning down civilians. You waste ammo, and they pose no harm to you. If you want to rambo kill civis, use a shotgun plz. Kthx.

@Haji: You lose more then you gain.

Wasn't my decision for gunning down civis. Squad leader just told us too. Besides we were next to friendly supply crates

[snooggums]

Spawning, using a vehical, epi-pen, or resusitate will allow you to be killed up to 1 minute after using it. So 1 min after you spawn, or 1 min after u get out of a car or 1 min after you switch to a weapon other than the epi-pen or resusitate. Not hard to understand.

One thing to add: Running them over is now punishable, so unlike past versions you can't just run them over if they are in your way.

[Startrekern]

The solution is very simple and I'm surprised no one's done it yet: Make it illegal on your servers to intentionally engage civilians against ROE. It's not exactly very realistic, and it's not cool.

[lucky.BOY]

Shotgun people, shotgun...

Plus I dont think we really need any population, (not to mention it is impossible due to engine) becouse irl there aren't any mobs in the warzone, only few curious guys,like we have in PR.

1 more idea for punishing civi killers: for nmore then 3 civi kills in 1 life instant death. Counted with long respawn rate and some kit request ban, this would discourage people from killing civi's.

[iwillkillyouhun]

Recently I've tried to play as a Civilian Colaborator, as I just press tab and there are no "medics" on my insurgent team, okay so I spawn as a Civ. But the thing I started to notice and began to annoy me is the fact that BLUEFOR players shoot Civilians just to harm them, not to kill. This is a express violation of ROE. But those BLUEFOR players get no penalties for doing so, I guess. But the real problem is that I read on the manual that a Civilian Colaborator can be killed without any penalty by the BLUEFOR player within one minute after the Civilian has used his healing kit or epipen.

So you guys can get the picture.

"I'll harm the civilian, he'll heal himself, therefore I can kill him without worries."

If this happens to be correct, this sucks bad man. I suggest a modification on the way how it works, like no more "free civilians kill" if they use their healing bag or instant but light score penalty to BLUEFOR players for any harm caused to a Civilian Colaborator.

Comment please and correct me if I happen to be wrong.

yeah i agree completly i would punish them too !!!!1 they should some kind of other punishment than time.. dunno what just not time !

[Elektro]

Medic kit? You dont get punished for using the medic kit, what bothers me are the damn shotguns lol, every time i get to stone someone i get a fat shotgun in the face and it tells me i have been arrested >.> 139 sec spawntime

[Haji with a Handgun]

Medic kit? You dont get punished for using the medic kit, what bothers me are the damn shotguns lol, every time i get to stone someone i get a fat shotgun in the face and it tells me i have been arrested >.> 139 sec spawntime

Thats why you just shouldn't play as a civi LOL.

[Elektro]

Thats why you just shouldn't play as a civi LOL.

Nah, I just call in motars when I respawn .. cycle of life

[iwillkillyouhun]

Nah, I just call in motars when I respawn .. cycle of life

cycle of life xD

[Winstonkalkaros]

Civilians shouldn't be engaged at all. They aren't well armed so i would be right to arrest all. That increases IP:s

[Gosu-Rizzle]

I think the rules are fine as it is.. The Bluefor civ-killers has to remember your team will loose intel-points, and thereby indirectly you will loose the game.

Plus I dont think we really need any population, (not to mention it is impossible due to engine) becouse irl there aren't any mobs in the warzone, only few curious guys,like we have in PR.

Well, that depends on what you call a warzone.. Most of the INS maps in PR are huge citys with over 1.000.000 civilians living there IRL. And its not like the insurgents or bluefor will always warn the civis before they attack.. So there could very well be loads of people in the streets. (and certainly in the buildings)

But yeah, sadly, actual civilians cant be done with this engine.