NIGHT MAP Q (for Public)

[Rudd]

I forgot all about that, who made the audit?

edit, it was Wilkinson

[maniac1031]

I would love to see like barracuda under a full moon rather than the sun and just not have NVG.

[xambone]

maybe a really foggy muttrah city variation along with the current one that way servers could decide

[Vista]

Me too omg... I wish PRBOT would just spend his entire robot life making our sugestive maps!! ;D

[Rhino]

I wouldn't expect we'd do it like that picture anyway because 1) the number of glows and dynamic glows would probably make CPUs cry and 2) If I were the MEC I'd turn the lights off to make it harder for USMC air support (since MEC presumably would have NVGs also)

Its more an issue that you couldn't do it quite like that because you can only have one point light colour, so you couldn't have all thous different pretty colours you see.

[Super64]

I'd never expect the lighting to be brilliant, but there is some simple lighting in the Special Forces maps. I'm sure you guys would figure out a decent compromise whilst maintaining a decent map.

Barracuda at night sounds interesting too.

In any case, it would certainly give the choppers a little more chance against the hardened AA.

[angellfall]

Im quite sure that those"thermals" we have ingame would not work whitout light of the map. But that is just me quessing.
If they do work that does mean we do have some night maps at the last version prolly...

[Rhino]

I'd never expect the lighting to be brilliant, but there is some simple lighting in the Special Forces maps. I'm sure you guys would figure out a decent compromise whilst maintaining a decent map.

Yes its not very hard to do it the SF way, just takes quite a lot of effort. My comment above was that you can't do lots of different coloured "point lights" in BF2 as you can only set all the point light to one single colour, so you couldn't get that effect you see on thous photos of muttrah where there is lots of different coloured lights flooding the streets.

Im quite sure that those"thermals" we have ingame would not work whitout light of the map. But that is just me quessing.
If they do work that does mean we do have some night maps at the last version prolly...

The thermals ingame do not rely on light. You could have a 100% black map and they would still work.

[xambone]

issue is all mec would have is a TOW was Thermals, Cobra, and AAV would rape

[goguapsy]

I would play any night map, no matter how buggy. With or without nightvision.

Same here, just for the epicness of it. Buggy or not.

[Rudd]

issue is all mec would have is a TOW was Thermals, Cobra, and AAV would rape[/

if it was done I'm sure all the conventional factions would get NVGs, I'm really not sure what to do for the non-conventional factions.

Though Kozelsk at night would be pretty epic the dynamic lights are already setup in some areas by Deer like the tunnels - an excellent mapper.

[Scot]

If night maps ever get back in, the little jungle maps like Mao Valley, OGT and Bi Ming have to be brought back.

Pleeeeeeeease?

[Jafar Ironclad]

Consider the following:

Shijia Valley, Clear Night Edition.

[xambone]

Well, I think it would be best to test the response of an older map small like Muttrah since it is in the city where lights would be and is only 2km. If it got positive feedback then imagine Kashan and Silent Eagle would be next.

[Spec]

[quote=""'[R-DEV"]Rudd;1635686']

issue is all mec would have is a TOW was Thermals, Cobra, and AAV would rape

if it was done I'm sure all the conventional factions would get NVGs, I'm really not sure what to do for the non-conventional factions.

Though Kozelsk at night would be pretty epic the dynamic lights are already setup in some areas by Deer like the tunnels - an excellent mapper.[/QUOTE]

I'd be especially fond of conventional vs. unconventional factions there, with perhaps an entirely new game mode. Something that gives the coalition a massive advantage equipment-wise, but punishes every small mistake. With the unconventional factions, for example, guarding a region, setting up patrols and such and trying to best coordinate their defense, with a stealth-based coalition faction to eliminate a few key targets - the exact targets will not be known to the unconventional team, so they have to guard all possible targets and find out what the enemies probable objective is by catching them when they attack it, and then reinforce especially those points.
I'd honestly love some more sneakyness in PR

[Rabbit]

Here's a question, why are there no night maps? I've had promising results when testing the right values.

[Rudd]

this had better be the last time I have to post this....

NVGs do not work with teh current shaders, in fact last time I loaded a nightmap with isnightmap 1 enabled it just crashed in 0957 and 0962 (beta)

The bug was that on newer graphics cards the statics turned black when touched by a dynamic light, it made the dam on jabal look hilarious when we were testing some WiP night versions of maps.




Yes you can just shove the darkness on to a map, its very easy, the most complicated bit is getting the groundhemi dark, and thats a simple task in itself. But NVGs would be a requirement for realistic nightmaps, and there is the problem.

So if you wanted a nightmap, a proper nightmap it would have to be a 100% overgrowth based map at this time



gx, if you have anything interesting to share, feel free though.

[Rabbit]

I understand the shader problem. But with so many people wanting night levels why not say screw it and put one out wihout nods?

[Rudd]

because we arent in the habit of releasing things that aren't up to our standard (at least not intentionally ;D)

if you want to do a night map event without NVGs I encourage you to do so.

Just be aware that it might not work the way you want

to do it at the most basic level you just need to do the lighting and sky settings, darken the groundhemi and sort any envmaps (including water envmaps), you can add ambient sounds to that and if wanna go the whole hog you can implement dynamic glows on the map in logical locations, but that would require relightmapping stuff

[Spartan463]

Now im not saying you guys need to go out and make a night map pack, but a simple night map just to see how it plays out would be interesting, (damn i wish i could do it all in lightwave). Im thinking just a simple 1km or 2km with maybe only a small town and some lights (ex. op. archer inf 16 layer). I wouldnt really care if it lowered the quality of the map that much just like to see how the gameplay works out.

do you guys use BF2 Editor for all that would be needed?