Civilians killing with rocks?

[Anderson29]

this happened 2 days ago.
on karbal i had a civi sqd. we were on cia server and we happened to be by the river and the tank rolled up to the E side of the river....we happen to have a ambusher guy with us but he was in the water and the tank didnt see him.....so us civis went over to the tank....healed each other after the painful swim....went up to the tank....throwing rocks at it and the 50 cal gunner to keep his head down....ambusher sneaks up behind...lays mine and just at that moment the driver and gunner get out and try to arrest us....ambusher kill them and then the gunner switched to driver and tried to evac...he blows up...tank dies...civis FTW. the end.

[Grizzly47]

We could have a civilian specialist kit as pickup. Instead of a rock he gets a half-brick in a sock to whirl above his head.

i literally lol'ed at that

why not make the suppression effect for civis much more impeding. although civilians in RL are angry enough to throw rocks at people with guns, if they get shot at they are running the other way for a mile. if there was a suppression effect on civis that made them barely see anything, theyd have to retreat to avoid being arrested, just a thought

i like this idea a lot. it'd add more realism to the civilian aspect. if there was a mob or some situation where you're on the verge of being stoned, firing a few shots over their heads would maybe make them run or at least allow you to move away.

as someone else pretty much said, no one in real life would go all rambo into a warzone with rocks as their only weapon. not to mention that your normal civi would be hauling *** out of there or hiding when they hear gunfire and explosions, not trying to go provoke troops and get killed on purpose.

[gipakok]

Is it possible that if the civi hits you with a rock you can kill him? Beacose I'm pretty sure that if somebody throws rocks at soldiers at the middle of a battle it counts as a weapon.

[Nate.]

Civilians must be able to throw stones!

It's useful for many things like doing the sharia, playing life of brian scenes or throwing stones in the water / on the ground.

I would like to see Civis to be able to swim - I wonder why they can't swim, while all the Insurgents carrying heavy weapons can.

[Murphy]

Restrainers cannot work in water, leaving the Blufor guys standing on the edge of the water while their specialist takes pot shots. There are plenty of situations where civilian players were exploiting water to their advantage and it made for really dumb game-play.

[40mmrain]

what if we removed the unrealistic kit, exploitative kit that doesnt work properly?

[Murphy]

I'm totally for exactly that 40mm, the Civi/Collab kit cannot work as a collaborator would IRL. It's the same thing behind suppression not working very often, there is just no value to a virtual life in PR. Anyone not strapping a bomb to their chest should behave in such a way as to protect their lives, give someone this kit (or the ability to drop their current kit) and their lives hold no value beyond -10 intel and -100 points for the guy who killed you.

[007.SirBond]

I'm totally for exactly that 40mm, the Civi/Collab kit cannot work as a collaborator would IRL. It's the same thing behind suppression not working very often, there is just no value to a virtual life in PR. Anyone not strapping a bomb to their chest should behave in such a way as to protect their lives, give someone this kit (or the ability to drop their current kit) and their lives hold no value beyond -10 intel and -100 points for the guy who killed you.

Believe it or not. There has always been the dilema for soldiers on forigen territory dealing with civilians being hostile but not using real armed weapons. There is no better example than the current Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

In my mind if you truly believed and realized that if you did not shoot the unarmed civilian that your own life would be lost, that would be alright. But you would still face heavy critism from others because they were not in your shoes.

For example:
If Trayvon Martin really did attack Zimmerman and wud of obtained his firearm and possibility killed him with it. Then Zimmerman wud of been justified. But the problem is no one really knows what happened that night because they were not there. Perhaps Zimmerman really pulled that gun out with the complete intention to shoot Trayvon and the kid got a punch in before Zimmerman finally was about to squeeze that trigger.

And back to the middle eastern conflict. In war when one side is absolutly bend on killing the enemy and they are willing to sacrafice themselves in the cause. Yes there will be unarmed civilians willing to be human shields, and if those civilians are killed, they will use that incident to rally more people to their side.

Your lucky in PR, its just unarmed males. In real life, they can be elderly people, pregnant woman, or little children, boys and girls throwing stones at you.

War will suck all morality out of you because the true face of a killer has no soul.

[pedrooo14]

One thing that should d be added to Insurgent mode its a difference in the sprint velocity of a blufor soldier and a civi. So they cant get close to you and when you try to arrest them they run away. Also a military is in much better shape than a civilian.

[RUSSIAN147]

One thing that should d be added to Insurgent mode its a difference in the sprint velocity of a blufor soldier and a civi. So they cant get close to you and when you try to arrest them they run away. Also a military is in much better shape than a civilian.

Thats a good idea. Makes sense.

[ExNusquam]

Civilians already have significantly lower sprint times than all other soldiers.

[sparks50]

Which makes it fun go civilian by dropping your kit, teasing blufor and sprint away giggling.
And then get shot in the back by a bean-bag shotgun.

Anyway the soldier has to carry a lot of kit, perhaps plates, Helmet, a rifle etc. Its not ideal for sprinting.

[fabioxxxx]

civilian win = blufor fanboys goes crazy hahah.

pr = team work ... just have the specialist in your squad .

the civilian kit it's great , i love to play with it sometimes making ambush squads or just helping out, and love to arrest civilians with my squad... the civilian kit brings more diversity to the battlefield.

[Henrique_Dalben]

It's simple logic, if a mob comes at you throwing stones, fuck beanbags, you go full mogadishu on them. I can't see you being court marshialed for defending yourself againts a mob of civillians trying to kill you. If a civvie is within 5m of an insurgent of within 15m of another civvie they should be fair game to shoot at. Or, for a more simple solution, just make it so you can kill civvies who are with the rock equiped.

[Truism]

I'm pretty sure you'd need to be able to demonstrate it was the only way you could deal with the situation or you would in fact be a murderer.

[pr|Zer0]

Well, I keep wondering as the years passes, why when someone is killed by something, goes mad mad mad, become berserk about changes and comes here to complain ? This is OP , that should be nerfed, this that these those... Everyone's angry and wants to change the game in some way, presumably to make it easier for them to win. Everyone thinks they have the right to demand whatever they think is best for themselves.
Now, an unarmed guy is OP. A ROCK.. Are you serious? Learn how to kill it. Play in a SQ. Quit lone wolfing. Get a shotgun. Play as Opfor. etc etc. Playing civie class is fun and always will be someone ready to take that away.
Tell me this: If a civie comes close and throwing rocks at you, what you care most? Your virtual life or your score? When you take that decision, things will be easier.
I personally shoot, stab, frag and shell the civie i see throwing rocks at me/teammates. Is that simple

[Henrique_Dalben]

Well, I keep wondering as the years passes, why when someone is killed by something, goes mad mad mad, become berserk about changes and comes here to complain ? This is OP , that should be nerfed, this that these those... Everyone's angry and wants to change the game in some way, presumably to make it easier for them to win. Everyone thinks they have the right to demand whatever they think is best for themselves.
Now, an unarmed guy is OP. A ROCK.. Are you serious? Learn how to kill it. Play in a SQ. Quit lone wolfing. Get a shotgun. Play as Opfor. etc etc. Playing civie class is fun and always will be someone ready to take that away.
Tell me this: If a civie comes close and throwing rocks at you, what you care most? Your virtual life or your score? When you take that decision, things will be easier.
I personally shoot, stab, frag and shell the civie i see throwing rocks at me/teammates. Is that simple

Yes, rocks are OP. It takes 5-6 pistol rounds to the chest of a guy wearing the "heavy" armor to kill him, but you only need 4 rocks to kill the same guy. Last i checked rocks weren't as powerful as a 9mm round.

[pr|Zer0]

Oh well, last time I checked you cannot kill with a rock at 40 m. Again, did you understood the issue?

[ExNusquam]

Yes, rocks are OP. It takes 5-6 pistol rounds to the chest of a guy wearing the "heavy" armor to kill him, but you only need 4 rocks to kill the same guy. Last i checked rocks weren't as powerful as a 9mm round.

There's a reason for that. Pistol rounds can't penetrate kevlar, let alone steel/ceramic plates, though IIRC, headshots are still one hit kills with the pistols. The rocks take 4 hits to kill at close range; i. e. the range at which you easily hit someone in the face with a rock in real life. If civies have closed to that range, you should be able to easily arrest them, or shoot them with a shotgun.

[Truism]

Yes, rocks are OP. It takes 5-6 pistol rounds to the chest of a guy wearing the "heavy" armor to kill him, but you only need 4 rocks to kill the same guy. Last i checked rocks weren't as powerful as a 9mm round.

Kinetic energy = 0.5 * mass * speed squared

Your average 9mm FMJ weighs 7.4 grams and travels at 390 m/s out of a 15cm barrel, which amounts to 570 joules.

A 2kg rock thrown at 30 m/s is about 900 joules.

If we define power as energy, because trying to work out the period of time over which the energy acts is pretty difficult, and I don't think you were really thinking about actual quantifiable terms when you shot your mouth off, a rock can easily carry as much kinetic energy as a 9mm.