French AT Riflegrenade disporportionate damage

Allahu Akbar · Post by **Allahu Akbar** » 2017-05-19 07:21

l was looking into weapon files, I found this:

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For comparison, here is damage file for M72 LAW projectile:

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Is it intentional that a 58mm rifle grenade does more damage than a 66mm and 85mm rocket?(rpg-7 pg-7v-ins, which does 310).

This is only 30 damage less than AT4, which does 450.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC58
Weight of the entire rifle grenade is 500 grams.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APAV40
Similarly-sized APAV40 only has 80g filling.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT4
AT4 filling itself is 440g.

Post by **Mats391** » 2017-05-19 07:49

From what I remember the AT grenade has almost the same penetration as the AT-4 and M72 has way lower, but I guess the AT grenade would have way weaker post penetration effect. Size does not always matter

Post by **rPoXoTauJIo** » 2017-05-19 08:19

Those values are based on AT rate of fire, and not so systematic. We'll probably ask zwilling to rework AT system aswell

Allahu Akbar · Post by **Allahu Akbar** » 2017-05-19 08:40

[R-DEV]Mats391 wrote:From what I remember the AT grenade has almost the same penetration as the AT-4 and M72 has way lower, but I guess the AT grenade would have way weaker post penetration effect. Size does not always matter

I just tested it, it would 2-hit(warning sound starts) rear a of Leclerc and ~3-4 hits to side.
It plus AT4 can instantly kill MBT from rear.

Seems a bit too much, no?

I haven't found an official source on the penetration value of it other than the same one referenced on wikipedia on every other website.

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[R-DEV]rPoXoTauJIo wrote:Those values are based on AT rate of fire, and not so systematic. We'll probably ask zwilling to rework AT system aswell

Maybe ask someone who will finish working on it before pushing it onto live server?

Post by **Mats391** » 2017-05-19 08:44

No need to post entire tweak files and if you do, use code tags.
Whats wrong with AT-4 velocity?

Allahu Akbar · Post by **Allahu Akbar** » 2017-05-19 08:47

[R-DEV]Mats391 wrote:No need to post entire tweak files and if you do, use code tags.
Whats wrong with AT-4 velocity?

Wikipedia said it was 220m/s.

Post by **Mats391** » 2017-05-19 08:48

Allahu Akbar wrote:Wikipedia said it was 220m/s.

English wiki says 290m/s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT4

Allahu Akbar · Post by **Allahu Akbar** » 2017-05-19 08:49

'[R-DEV wrote:Mats391;2164322']English wiki says 290m/s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT4

It should be noted that the AT4-CS version also reduced its muzzle velocity from the original 290 m/s to 220 m/s as part of its effort to be user-safe in a confined space, making the AT4-CS version somewhat less effective.

The one in game is AT4-CS.

Post by **Mats391** » 2017-05-19 08:54

Allahu Akbar wrote:The one in game is AT4-CS.

Only in HUD tbh. The model is not the CS I think. I remember it getting renamed to explain lack of backblast

Either way, wont change the speed as it will fuck up the zeroing and it is a ***** to redo.

Allahu Akbar · Post by **Allahu Akbar** » 2017-05-19 08:58

[R-DEV]Mats391 wrote:Only in HUD tbh. The model is not the CS I think. I remember it getting renamed to explain lack of backblast
Either way, wont change the speed as it will fuck up the zeroing and it is a ***** to redo.

Will it be changed if someone re do zeroing?

Post by **Mats391** » 2017-05-19 09:02

Allahu Akbar wrote:Will it be changed if someone re do zeroing?

Probably would end up having both, a normal and a CS version as I dont know what the British and French use. But ye, if you want to redo animations and physics etc, feel free.

Allahu Akbar · Post by **Allahu Akbar** » 2017-05-19 09:24

[R-DEV]Mats391 wrote:Probably would end up having both, a normal and a CS version as I dont know what the British and French use. But ye, if you want to redo animations and physics etc, feel free.

France orders additional AT4 CS anti-armor weapons | AWIN content from Aviation Week
http://saab.com/about-saab/sites/europe ... or-france/

The Roquette NG range provides anti-tank capabilities through a weapon tentatively designated AT4 CS ER HP, anti-structure and breach capabilities through Saab’s AT4 CS AST weapon, and anti-personnel capabilities through the AT4 CS HE weapon. The weapons utilizes the same trainer and logistic support.

British Military Weapons - ILAW Rocket Launcher

UK forces use the CS variant of the weapon which is optimised for urban warfare and has less of a back blast. In theory the CS should be firable from within buildings.

So is there documentation on how to adjust zeroing?

I just got through looking at Chinese HAT:

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Velocity 205

http://www.military-today.com/firearms/pf_98.htm

Muzzle velocity 310 m/s

This should be easy fix by changing scope reticle.

Velocity of 205m/s may have been for balance when it flew forward without affected by gravity, but now it is affected by gravity.

Post by **Mats391** » 2017-05-19 09:54

205 m/s might be cause its hard to find proper data on anything chinese. I have no idea if 310 or 205 would be more close to what it really happens. I mean they claim the thing has effective range of 2km.

For zeroing you have to play around with something like this until you get the angles and distances you want.
Then adjust the animations to be at that animation.
Then go in game and test.
Then rage that it is not working cause calculation does not always give correct values. Then try and error until you have it right.

PLODDITHANLEY · Post by **PLODDITHANLEY** » 2017-05-19 11:54

The IRL problem with the FAMAS grenade is the recoil, the french have had to make a special way to hold the rifle and even with that it's a nose breaker.

Post by **Aleon** » 2017-05-19 11:58

[R-DEV]rPoXoTauJIo wrote:Those values are based on AT rate of fire, and not so systematic. We'll probably ask zwilling to rework AT system aswell

Way too soon

Post by **mectus11** » 2017-05-19 16:02

Aleon wrote:Way too soon

but muh realism

Post by **rPoXoTauJIo** » 2017-05-19 16:36

PLODDITHANLEY wrote:The IRL problem with the FAMAS grenade is the recoil, the french have had to make a special way to hold the rifle and even with that it's a nose breaker.

I guess for realism part we should add damage to shooter when firing

Allahu Akbar · Post by **Allahu Akbar** » 2017-05-19 22:47

'[R-DEV wrote:Mats391;2164332']205 m/s might be cause its hard to find proper data on anything chinese. I have no idea if 310 or 205 would be more close to what it really happens. I mean they claim the thing has effective range of 2km.
For zeroing you have to play around with something like this until you get the angles and distances you want.
Then adjust the animations to be at that animation.
Then go in game and test.
Then rage that it is not working cause calculation does not always give correct values. Then try and error until you have it right.

I'm sure if you fire it at 45 degrees it might reach out to 2km and kill someone!

(HATillery is do-able in-game?)

X-Alt · Post by **X-Alt** » 2017-05-19 23:05

Allahu Akbar wrote:The one in game is AT4-CS.

It's an intentional buff. Non-CS ballistics with the name slapped on, it used to be 220 a long while back.

Allahu Akbar · Post by **Allahu Akbar** » 2017-05-20 02:23

X-Alt wrote:It's an intentional buff. Non-CS ballistics with the name slapped on, it used to be 220 a long while back.

A buff no one asked for, because 290 is better than every other LAT that does similar/less damage.

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