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Preston · Post by **Preston** » 2006-12-19 17:22

Why does the hmmwv only have two boxes of ammo ? at what seems to be no more than 200 rounds ???

Preston

wpgcivic · Post by **wpgcivic** » 2006-12-20 01:46

hah i was wondering the same...

Preston · Post by **Preston** » 2006-12-20 02:17

seriously, because I've never been in the field with less that 2000 rounds, MINIMUM.

Griffon2-6 · Post by **Griffon2-6** » 2006-12-20 02:19

So it should have 10 then?

wpgcivic · Post by **wpgcivic** » 2006-12-20 02:41

lol well considering that the vehicle at hand here is resuppling all of the troops getting into it, id sure hope that the humvee itself has enough ammo...and yeah like stated, who in the right mind would go into battle with like 400 rounds on a mounted machine gun

Aus Sniper01 · Post by **Aus Sniper01** » 2006-12-20 03:05

Speaking of Humvees, when are you guys gonna have a enclosed frigon Humvee! I'm sick of being shot while being a passenger in the back of a Humvee with the door taken off lol....

wpgcivic · Post by **wpgcivic** » 2006-12-20 03:13

lol i find that in a full humvee of people, i will always be the one picked off the back of it, always the only person that gets hit haha

danthemanbuddy · Post by **danthemanbuddy** » 2006-12-20 03:43

if u give proper supporting fire, they won't shoot you with their heads down

but i know some times its inevitable.. suicidal chinese....

WNxKenwayy · Post by **WNxKenwayy** » 2006-12-20 05:17

Prior the about the 1st year of conflict in Iraq, that's how the USMC and US Army operated in Iraq, with open door/back hatch humvee's. Because in a direct contact engagement, that was the best bet, to get as many guns pointed at the enemy as quickly as possible. Only with the rise in IED's did the armor start appearing. Another main reason was that is was much cooler (temp. wise) to have the doors off, but that's not exactly something you can simulate in the game.

Post by **fuzzhead** » 2006-12-20 05:18

ammo counts will increase on all 50cals in 411

Aus Sniper01 · Post by **Aus Sniper01** » 2006-12-20 05:29

Yeah I understand that but come on think of it this way Iraq invasion, BF 2 style right its been what 2 years so yeah invasions been and gone IEDs have been coming out which they have been so lets close the doors and stuff mate up armor them for all I care lol as long as the doors and **** are shut.

wpgcivic · Post by **wpgcivic** » 2006-12-20 15:23

lol, even in somalia they had inclosed humvee's...but yeah glad to hear ammo is going up for .50's

thanks

Top_Cat_AxJnAt · Post by **Top_Cat_AxJnAt** » 2006-12-20 15:26

i have written a 1.5 page essay on why we need an enclosed humvee with M240 but it is not finished and i really cant be assed to finish it.....o well, we just got to get on and die with it i say!!!!!

Post by **A.J.Sawyer** » 2006-12-20 16:09

Top _Cat the great wrote:1.5 page essay[/U]

It had better be spell Checked!

Rusty1986 · Post by **Rusty1986** » 2006-12-20 17:23

Yeah, it's strange with the .50cal hummers. Everyone has to sit in the open rear but there are 3 very nice, compfortable (and protected) empty passenger seats inside the cabin! Where would you rather sit?

The ToW mounted Hummer (Al Basrah) takes 5 people doesn't it? Driver, Gunner, Front passenger and two rear passenger (in their seats!) I'm sure the ToW hummer model is big enough to take 1 more passenger so with this in mind, why do we have a .50cal hummer with 4 people sitting in the open rear?
Get them inside DEVS!

Same goes for the Blackhawk. I mentioned in another post it needs a 3 man crew (Pilot and 2 Gunners) and 6 passenger seats. THE SEATS ARE THERE! Yet we can't use them. The APC is stated to now carry 8 total so I don't see why 9 in a Blackhawk is a problem to be honest.

EDIT* I'd like to make it clear that talking about the Blackhawk doesn't mean I don't think the equivelent transport heli for other factions should be updated seating-wise too. The Chinese, MEC and possible UK heli should all carry 9.

WNxKenwayy · Post by **WNxKenwayy** » 2006-12-20 18:41

The humvee's in somalia were a mix. 10th mountain kept their guys inside for the most part, and the rangers were inside/outside depending on the mission. Their doors were supposed "armored" but the AK round passed right through it, only the glass was really bullet resistent.

If you want reality, then yes, in reality we sit enclosed in armored humvee's that can stop any number of small arm's ammunition, so do the brits. But what about the chinese/MEC. They don't use that capability yet so are you going to excuse reality and give them armored cars?

Top_Cat_AxJnAt · Post by **Top_Cat_AxJnAt** » 2006-12-20 18:43

The Tow HUMVEE is from another BF2 mod (some gulf war one - cant think of name, odd, but irrelavent) and the repair HUMVEE.

However it seems most DEVs dotn give a toss, they think alot of other things are more important - they have that right but we can protest and hope to change their opinion with CLEVEr and SUBTLE arguments.

I do like the idea of 9 peeps in certain helis but for the moment 7 is pretty DAmn fine improvement!!!

Rusty1986 · Post by **Rusty1986** » 2006-12-21 01:19

WNxKenwayy wrote: But what about the chinese/MEC. They don't use that capability yet so are you going to excuse reality and give them armored cars?

Of course not. That would defeat the point of this mod. They should stay how they are. That may not seem fair but what do the insurgents faction have? Toyota technicals.

MEC are currently exposed at the rear, yes. All that needs is a door or maybe half door?

Anyway there should always be some elements of one team that seem grossly unfair to the other's equivelent, but you counter these by having something else which is beneficial for the other team. Like commander designated IEDs maybe?

Agreed, 7 in the BH is a great improvement and I thank the DEVs for it.

Oddzball · Post by **Oddzball** » 2006-12-21 01:32

Well, I for on sat in a unarmored Humvee all the way from Kuwait into Baghdad and let me tell you it was not pretty. Had a bullet go right through my seatbelt where it attaches to the frame.

Anyway, I agree, realisticly, by the time I was getting out of there they had pretty much gotten a 60/40 ratio of armored humvees to non armored,

Griffon2-6 · Post by **Griffon2-6** » 2006-12-21 01:34

US, Middle Eastern armies, and PLA just fight differently, are exposed to different combat situations, and value some things over others. I'll see what I can dig up on PLA light armored vehicles. And the Vodnik is supposed to be fully enclosed and amphibious.