How close to "real" are the choppers?

SevenOfDiamonds · Post by **SevenOfDiamonds** » 2007-02-19 16:39

I dont know if thi is right but i seemed like the blackhawks are faster then the littlebirds.

ArmedDrunk&Angry · Post by **ArmedDrunk&Angry** » 2007-02-19 16:49

The blackhawks are unrealisitcly fast on acceleration.
I know all the details about the HUD and scale and speed but when that thing noses down and takes off it's like watching a UFO in some movie.
I would love to see a full set of controls for a helo in the game but I don't think the engine would allow it and then you would need some kind of skill lock to prevent 0hour types from trying to fly.

I always had the impression that if a helo pilot were to let go of the controls ( pedals , collective , cyclic and throttle ) the aircraft would immediately spin out of control.

)FoX(Tucko · Post by **)FoX(Tucko** » 2007-02-19 17:41

Hi everybody.
One thing for sure, is that Helis are quite difficult to fly in PR... I just can imagine how hard it should be in RL...

By the way, I like the 0hour pilot block.
I hate watching n00bs pilot trying to fly to the Docks as US on Muttrah...
But I am not a good pilot or pilot at all... So I sit and wait for a good pilot to come by.

DirtyHarry88 · Post by **DirtyHarry88** » 2007-02-19 18:02

Practice really is the key.

Originally found them hard, especially the BH, now they're great fun though.

<CC><UnknownSoldier · Post by **<CC><UnknownSoldier** » 2007-02-19 18:17

vanity wrote:Half the population at this point doesn't know how to get the APC to drive forward.

(jumping in and out repeatedly isn't a solution for this, btw)

Thats the funnies quote ever, Before the Frustration I get from them doing this sets in I laugh so hard, lol, there like, why wont this thing move, and some other stupid guys like, it must be a glitch, lol, its so funny to watch.

BigBoss20th · Post by **BigBoss20th** » 2007-02-19 21:34

the heli (cobra) are fake as shit.
i shoot it with rpg all i got was smoke they went back repaired it and fucked us.
in real life rpg would penetrate the cobra and destroy it.
and AA missle are hard to get i only know one spot!!!!

it should be destroyed FIX it in the next patch plzzz.

Stealth Clobber · Post by **Stealth Clobber** » 2007-02-19 22:06

Have you ever shot a cobra with an RPG?

Didn't think so. You dodn't know exactly what would happen. Sure if you hit the engine it might, rotors it would crash to the ground, it depends on where you hit it. In RL, Heli pilots NEVER get that low to the ground, or slow enough, to be shot with RPG's.

BigBoss20th · Post by **BigBoss20th** » 2007-02-20 08:14

i didn't shoot it in reallife and ofcourse in reallife the heli would be fucked up.
you hit it back they lose control.
you hit it middle you get bulleye
you hit it front you can damage the cockpit!!!!
and ofcourse it depends on the warhead of the RPG!

anyway now i don't care about reallife i shot it in PR and it didn't go down!

Maistros · Post by **Maistros** » 2007-02-20 08:17

Where's that wahhhhmbulance when you need it?

Fenix16 · Post by **Fenix16** » 2007-02-20 08:42

Stealth Clobber wrote:Have you ever shot a cobra with an RPG?

Didn't think so. You dodn't know exactly what would happen. Sure if you hit the engine it might, rotors it would crash to the ground, it depends on where you hit it. In RL, Heli pilots NEVER get that low to the ground, or slow enough, to be shot with RPG's.

umm, not true. Thats just an all around bad statement to make. Never say never. One could argue that while hovering after takeoff they are vulnerable to rpg fire, but i wont. In a combat situation you're correct about the speed, but pilots routinely fly that low to avoid radar detection, as well as make themselves visible for a smaller amont of time while flying over areas where they are vunerable to AA fire.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ihHlpA3hlI
This vid shows a cobra in a combat situation flying well within RPG range of the gound, however as you said, it is going at a decent speed, making hitting it with an rpg more luck than anything else. Although there are probably a few on these forums that would argue that with proper leading, that cobra could be shot down with an rpg.

Back to the RPG not taking down a cobra, if your really going to argue about it not being realistic. Then how about this explination: All of the RPGs you are using as an insurgent are 20 some years old and only 50% of them have an explosive charge that still works.

minigunmonk · Post by **minigunmonk** » 2007-02-20 12:33

In somalia (BH down), they were hit with an RPG. The aircraft didnt explode on impact, it didnt burst into flames, it actualy kept flying for some time until the tail rotor transmission failed due to damage and/or loss of oil. Sure it went down after the hit, but not instantly and everyone would have walked away had they got the thing into an autorotation faster.
There is a book written by the pilot that was captured, Mike Durant. He tells the 'Blackhawk down' story from his perspective, detailed and interesting.

BigBoss20th · Post by **BigBoss20th** » 2007-02-20 13:33

Fenix16 wrote:Back to the RPG not taking down a cobra, if your really going to argue about it not being realistic. Then how about this explination: All of the RPGs you are using as an insurgent are 20 some years old and only 50% of them have an explosive charge that still works.

LMAF 50%???!!!!
i assure you that 80 no 90+% rpg are still working.
it's like the brother of the AK it will work 100 year later as same as the day they were made!

DrMcCleod · Post by **DrMcCleod** » 2007-02-20 13:38

BigBoss20th wrote:LMAF 50%???!!!!
i assure you that 80 no 90+% rpg are still working.
it's like the brother of the AK it will work 100 year later as same as the day they were made!

I have no first hand experience, but presumably the RPG explosive charge will deteriorate over time, being of a chemical nature with a very high Gibbs Free Energy?

Snake_doctor · Post by **Snake_doctor** » 2007-02-20 14:30

the heli (cobra) are fake as shit.
i shoot it with rpg all i got was smoke they went back repaired it and fucked us.
in real life rpg would penetrate the cobra and destroy it.
and AA missle are hard to get i only know one spot!!!!

it should be destroyed FIX it in the next patch plzzz. llooooooooooooooooooooll
u be lucky to hit a BH NEVER MIND A COBRA BEST BET M8 DO WOT WE DUN IN
IRAQ brake in to ther mane base put sand in all the petrol tanks so wen thay try take off thay cut out call unconventan war fare i think but hay how wood i no am low life never been to war leat that wot i got to say only if u new wot reality was like u will never get a game that is reality never this close u will get but hay i cood be some one fames like that guy with the tash. 22sas the one that got away he who dares all ways wins

BigBoss20th · Post by **BigBoss20th** » 2007-02-20 15:28

wtf are you talking about..
stop using drugs man it's very bad.
i was talking ingame shooting a cobra not in real life.
you ignorant fool,the only thing we agree is you being low life shit.

ooh wait here is something for people who think insurgents can't aim/hit shit.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=628_1171985691

uploaded bymyself for you.
and yah i saw war i was born in bagdad,but i ain't gonna tell you nothing about myself!!!

<<SpanishSurfer>> · Post by **<<SpanishSurfer>>** » 2007-02-20 15:41

'[R-MOD wrote:eddie']I started in an R22, no computer systems/ GPS or any of that cr*p whatsoever, most instruments are operated by creating a suction so that the instruments keep working.

Eddie, curious why you flew an R22. I'm waiting on a response from the United States Coast Guard for officer candidate school. I'm looking to fly the HH-65c Dolphin for them. I got a tour of the Dolphin last week from one of the pilots, it's an awesome aircraft. Let me know about your experience.

-Spanish

LightFighter · Post by **LightFighter** » 2007-02-20 16:53

i think the damage that cobras take are a bit unrealistic, the speed of the blackhawk is somewhat accurate once they are empty they are pretty nimble and there top speed is impressive, I was playing last night and a UH-60 did a fly by and I felt like I was in IRAQ again!! the repair options should be limited like if you go in for repairs you should have to stay for 5 mins or something like that

EagleEyeLG · Post by **EagleEyeLG** » 2007-02-20 17:24

Stealth Clobber wrote:Have you ever shot a cobra with an RPG?

Didn't think so. You dodn't know exactly what would happen. Sure if you hit the engine it might, rotors it would crash to the ground, it depends on where you hit it. In RL, Heli pilots NEVER get that low to the ground, or slow enough, to be shot with RPG's.

Recently, at least in Iraq, that has not been the case at all. Not sure how many, but a bunch of choppers have been shot down in Iraq within the past 3 or 4 weeks by either RPG's or surface-to-air missiles.

Guerra · Post by **Guerra** » 2007-02-20 17:57

Personally, I think some of the choppers aren't as agile as their real counterparts are.

The little bird is nice, but it seems prone to flip without touching the controls. Once the little bird gets in the air, its perfect.

My biggest issue is with the flight dynamics of the blackhawk. I don't mind the speed, but it should take time to build up that kind of acceleration. It feels too light. There should be substance and weight to a transport chopper like the BH.

Tralle · Post by **Tralle** » 2007-02-20 20:26

BigBoss20th wrote:wtf are you talking about..
stop using drugs man it's very bad.
i was talking ingame shooting a cobra not in real life.
you ignorant fool,the only thing we agree is you being low life shit.

ooh wait here is something for people who think insurgents can't aim/hit shit.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=628_1171985691

uploaded bymyself for you.
and yah i saw war i was born in bagdad,but i ain't gonna tell you nothing about myself!!!

Hmm you could post a warning before posting things like that...
hes gone for sure!