molotov cocktail

bunny · Post by **bunny** » 2007-04-26 02:29

Has PR gone gangsta or somethin? lol nah I think I like em how they are

oS2007 · Post by **oS2007** » 2007-04-26 07:19

I usually associate molotovs with the "hell no, we won't go" thing. At least more than gangstas.

Flanker15 · Post by **Flanker15** » 2007-04-26 07:39

The Molotov's should only be effective against vehicles, RPs and those new building things that are being added. You would only cause limited damage to a soldier with one since they only create a small fire and they wear fire resistant clothes (I think) then they just move away from the flames. The worst you'd get is a bit of burning fuel splashed on your legs, they're designed for use against flammable targets, things that don't move and vehicle engines/ammo.

Post by **Outlawz7** » 2007-04-26 08:22

Flanker15 wrote:The Molotov's should only be effective against vehicles, RPs and those new building things that are being added. You would only cause limited damage to a soldier with one since they only create a small fire and they wear fire resistant clothes (I think) then they just move away from the flames. The worst you'd get is a bit of burning fuel splashed on your legs, they're designed for use against flammable targets, things that don't move and vehicle engines/ammo.

well, ok, if someone throws it in your face and if you keep standing there to turn into a barbecue, then it should kill you...

MadTommy · Post by **MadTommy** » 2007-04-26 08:56

My fav use of molatovs is to use them at already downed USMC grunts, making the medics job a real nightmare. Try reviving someone in a molatov's flames!

Post by **Outlawz7** » 2007-04-26 08:57

MadTommy wrote:My fav use of molatovs is to use them at already downed USMC grunts, making the medics job a real nightmare. Try reviving someone in a molatov's flames!

Someone implement a fire extinguisher into the mod...

Expendable Grunt · Post by **Expendable Grunt** » 2007-04-26 09:11

Used molotovs on a landing BH in AB today...killed the pilot and I think a gunner. Killed most of the rest with my MG before being killed (I had PKM).

russ555 · Post by **russ555** » 2007-04-26 10:25

Flanker15 wrote:The Molotov's should only be effective against vehicles, RPs and those new building things that are being added. You would only cause limited damage to a soldier with one since they only create a small fire and they wear fire resistant clothes (I think) then they just move away from the flames. The worst you'd get is a bit of burning fuel splashed on your legs, they're designed for use against flammable targets, things that don't move and vehicle engines/ammo.

how do u work that out?

you put em on and let me throw a molotov at you see how "small" the flame is then and believe me you would have more than "a bit of burning fuel splashed on your legs"

loyalguard · Post by **loyalguard** » 2007-04-26 12:47

Here is a video from youtube showing the use of molotovs against police in Greece earlier this year that may give some indications of the physics and thermo dynamics involved. WARNING: This is graphic video and the music is NSFW:

Athens 17/01/07. Molotov Cocktails against cops

Of course there are a lot of factors (size, fuel type, stickyness), but if you keep moving and pat them out by hand or rolling around you can often extinguish them quickly. The same goes for vehicles. If a molotov hits your vehicle, the best thing you can do is keep moving. The airflow should normally extinguish the flames pretty quickly. If the target is stationary however...

Semi · Post by **Semi** » 2007-04-26 14:26

Flanker15 wrote:The Molotov's should only be effective against vehicles, RPs and those new building things that are being added. You would only cause limited damage to a soldier with one since they only create a small fire and they wear fire resistant clothes (I think) then they just move away from the flames. The worst you'd get is a bit of burning fuel splashed on your legs, they're designed for use against flammable targets, things that don't move and vehicle engines/ammo.

Why would you need a flammable target? Last time I checked, gasoline burned pretty good on its own. Isn't that the point with these things?

Speaking of molotovs. Got a pretty good hit from a rooftop and into a full, moving HMMW. Didn't kill anyone but it sure got them running.

Flanker15 · Post by **Flanker15** » 2007-04-26 15:45

But the small amount of gasoline burns off quickly, if thrown onto something flammable, like dry grass you'd get a more persistent fire.
The problem with them is you need to hit something hard enough to break the bottle. Throwing one at a person, it would just bounce off and maybe not even break on the rebound.
During WW2 the Germans put wire and bushes on their tanks to stop the bottles from breaking, in response the Soviets tied a rock on a rope to bottle which smashed it on impact!
In the video it showed the only way to effect people with them is to break them on objects above and in front of someone. Even then with their protective clothing they seemed to not do much. Oh and at 32 sec in the vid it looks like an officer hits a Molotov mid-air with a gas grenade!

Semi · Post by **Semi** » 2007-04-26 16:40

Flanker15 wrote: During WW2 the Germans put wire and bushes on their tanks to stop the bottles from breaking, in response the Soviets tied a rock on a rope to bottle which smashed it on impact!

I believe that were the Finns vs. the Soviets

Flanker15 wrote:In the video it showed the only way to effect people with them is to break them on objects above and in front of someone.

There seems to be endless variables to this. Molotov cocktails aren't produced on a conveyor belt, and so they have different composition, different glass thickness, and wouldn't you think the power of the throw would have an impact on whether it would break or not? This is just a useless discussion, you can't judge all these things out of a 1 min video.

Flanker15 wrote:Even then with their protective clothing they seemed to not do much.

Do you also draw that conclusion by looking at the video, or do you have an article or something? There's no aftermath footage so I'll take your word for it.

Dyer |3-5| · Post by **Dyer |3-5|** » 2007-04-26 18:26

Any way to make the person continue to burn until they "stop,drop, and roll", I.E. Hit "Z" 30 times in 5 seconds?

youm0nt · Post by **youm0nt** » 2007-04-26 19:22

That won't be very enjoyable at all...

El_Vikingo · Post by **El_Vikingo** » 2007-04-26 19:27

Molotovs set fire to things. Burning things kill people.

bunny · Post by **bunny** » 2007-04-27 00:57

wait a minute, last time I suggested anything to do with burning people I immediately got 3 pages worth of people saying "Hell no!!1!11 that violates teh Geneva Convention" **** and it was then locked. How is this not a violationf of that Geneva whatever

DarkTalon · Post by **DarkTalon** » 2007-04-27 01:02

it's not napalm, and insurgents have little or no respect for the geneva convention.

AppleJuice4u2 · Post by **AppleJuice4u2** » 2007-04-27 01:43

We accept butt secks

Raic · Post by **Raic** » 2007-04-27 14:19

{GD}Snake13 wrote:I think they need to be more powerful, I'm hit soldiers dead on with them just to see them run out of the flame and start shooting.

Do you know how bad human actually have to burn to die? or to bleed from fire? I doubt you get burned that bad even if you run through the flame, ofc if the bottle brokes above the dude and he gets the coctail over himselfs and then on fire, well, hes screwed.

Flanker15 wrote:But the small amount of gasoline burns off quickly, if thrown onto something flammable, like dry grass you'd get a more persistent fire.

gasoline and tar mixed is the most common and orginal "molotov coctail", bottle with petrol or gasoline is just petrol bomb.

also sugar can be mixed in too to help the coctail stick in target