limit the RPG blast against infantry

youm0nt · Post by **youm0nt** » 2007-05-20 23:57

If someone wants to use an AT weapon as anti personnal, be my guest... I use the SRAW on Hills of Hamgyong, they're the perfect weapon to counter the snipers and anyone holed up in a bunker...

workingrobbie · Post by **workingrobbie** » 2007-05-21 00:09

Had this discussion with others and a lot of us were of the opinion that n00b tubes + rocket whores = easy kills = no skillz, so such gameplay, even though effective and arguably realistic, is cheap and not in the spirit of the PR gameplay.

btw. n00b tube = using the nade launcher at less then 10m away.

And sorry, jmull, it's definitely Mr. 1337. Or maybe that's El 1337.

PlayPR! · Post by **PlayPR!** » 2007-05-21 00:36

El_Vikingo wrote:ffs... The RPGS are limited in o.6!

The man speaks the truth. Now just bite your tounge until .6 please?

youm0nt wrote:If someone wants to use an AT weapon as anti personnal, be my guest... I use the SRAW on Hills of Hamgyong, they're the perfect weapon to counter the snipers and anyone holed up in a bunker...

And sorry, but I must say, that is my one guilty pleasure of PR. I only do it as the Brits on only that map though.

Desertfox · Post by **Desertfox** » 2007-05-21 00:39

jmull wrote:Ohhhh very constructive.......MR 733T

nvm please delete this comment.

HABO3 · Post by **HABO3** » 2007-05-21 00:59

I see two ways to counter this...

-Shoulder fired missles/rockets should have their aim knocked around and accuracy reduced while under fire
-A player needs to stand still in order to get his aim centered

this way the chances of an RPG taking on an assault rifle face-to-face results in the rifle winning by laying down heavy fire, the RPG then only becomes useful in a flanking attack where the opponent doesn't have time to react to the RPG soldier steadying his weapon, aiming and firing. However, as said earlier, the chances of hitting someone with an RPG head on aren't worth the risk since you only get one shot and that shot is likely to miss if you are under any fire at all.

i think in this way the Insurgent AT soldier could have an assault rifle without making him ub3r. when taking on the enemy face-to-face it is more logical to trade fire and have a 50/50 chance of winning an engagement using your rifle but if the opportunity presents itself the RPG should be deadly as hell on the enemies flank where the weapons instant explosive violence is very effective.

i havent read too much about RPG tactics in anything greater than broad detail but to me it seems like the RPG is a hit-and-run weapon ain't it? a soldier exposes himself for just a few seconds, gets his shot off and breaks for cover so he can have time to rest the weapon and reload it and find a different direction to make another surprise attack on the enemy.

DirtyHarry88 · Post by **DirtyHarry88** » 2007-05-21 01:23

workingrobbie wrote:Had this discussion with others and a lot of us were of the opinion that n00b tubes + rocket whores = easy kills = no skillz, so such gameplay, even though effective and arguably realistic, is cheap and not in the spirit of the PR gameplay.

btw. n00b tube = using the nade launcher at less then 10m away.

And sorry, jmull, it's definitely Mr. 1337. Or maybe that's El 1337.

Being a tank gunner equals easy kills with not much skill, does that mean it's cheap?

Also, this 'n00b' nonsense, what a load of ****, I'm amazed it doesn't piss more people off.

workingrobbie · Post by **workingrobbie** » 2007-05-21 01:56

DirtyHarry88 wrote:Being a tank gunner equals easy kills with not much skill, does that mean it's cheap?

Also, this 'n00b' nonsense, what a load of ****, I'm amazed it doesn't piss more people off.

It was the part of "not in the spirit of the PR gameplay" that was the important bit. A tank is a friggen tank and you expect to be taken down by one since in the spirit of PR, a tank is one of the most badass things around.

As far as 'n00b' is concerned, was this a gripe against me? I was using a common bf2 phrase for a grenade launcher. Surely that is forgivable.

Or do you prefer the term 'smacktard' instead of n00b?

Copy_of_Blah · Post by **Copy_of_Blah** » 2007-05-21 02:07

I've seen more of this in the past week than in any other game I can remember.
Needless to say I'm eagerly awaiting the next release.

DirtyHarry88 · Post by **DirtyHarry88** » 2007-05-21 02:13

workingrobbie wrote:It was the part of "not in the spirit of the PR gameplay" that was the important bit. A tank is a friggen tank and you expect to be taken down by one since in the spirit of PR, a tank is one of the most badass things around.

As far as 'n00b' is concerned, was this a gripe against me? I was using a common bf2 phrase for a grenade launcher. Surely that is forgivable.
Or do you prefer the term 'smacktard' instead of n00b?

Not a gripe against you, just the use of the word in general. Smacktard annoys me, almost every gaming term is annoying actually.

If you're in a situation where you have an RPG and there's infantry I don't see the point in taking out the pistol to shoot them (they'd turn round and kill you before you had a chance, pistol is hard enough at very close range against single unarmoured targets.) just for the 'spirit of PR'.

jmull · Post by **jmull** » 2007-05-21 04:23

workingrobbie wrote:And sorry, jmull, it's definitely Mr. 1337. Or maybe that's El 1337.

Yeah I know mate......But I'm trying to change it to MR 733T

1337 is old school, the new "in thing" is 733T

at myself!

like its been said b4......nvm 0.6 will be here soon to save the day.
so hopefully we won't have anything to whinge about anymore.

EagleEyeLG · Post by **EagleEyeLG** » 2007-05-21 05:15

Someone should lock this thread just because of the ignorance.

jmull · Post by **jmull** » 2007-05-21 08:00

CannonballGB wrote:Someone should lock this thread just because of the ignorance.

THE IGNORANCE OF WHAT!!!!!!

Hellequin · Post by **Hellequin** » 2007-05-21 08:16

lol@noobtube it reminds me a little bit of people who whine about awps in css/cs1.6.

I think the rocket/missile launchers are dealt with pretty well in 0.5. and it's not realistic idea that they are only ever used against tanks. Learn to cope with it instead of crying so.

Myth-The-Savage · Post by **Myth-The-Savage** » 2007-05-21 08:20

this is project REALITY, IRL if you had an RPG in your hands and saw someone coming at you with a gun, what would you do?......

jmull · Post by **jmull** » 2007-05-21 09:01

Hellequin wrote:lol@noobtube it reminds me a little bit of people who whine about awps in css/cs1.6.

I think the rocket/missile launchers are dealt with pretty well in 0.5. and it's not realistic idea that they are only ever used against tanks. Learn to cope with it instead of crying so.

OMG here we go again, saying that people are crying when they make a statement........tissues?......have a cry!
GROW UP!!!

There is nothing realistic about having an enemy approach you CQ and aiming your RPG or noobtoob at the ground in front of you
(2 metres away) and firing.

It is becoming ridiculous, the amount of BF2 players joining and sorting after infantry with light or heavy ANTI-TANK kits.

If you want to play stupid arcade games (ANTI-TANK KIT WARS) be my guest,
But why not do it on vanilla BF2 with all the other little kids who are already doing it
and leave the people who want to have a tactical, REALISTIC game to do so.

The odd kill with a RPG...fair enough,
But I just came out of a server where approx. 75% of my deaths were from CQ noob tubes or light AT.

It makes everyone want to grab an AT or grenadier kit and do the same back,
But then it really would be the stupid, ridiculous arcade game I was talking about.

I just hope to hell 0.6 sorts these problems out,
If not maybe the Dev's could make a anti-tank kit game mode for all the smacktards out there.

DrMcCleod · Post by **DrMcCleod** » 2007-05-21 09:10

jmull wrote:OMG here we go again, saying that people are crying when they make a statement........tissues?......have a cry!
GROW UP IDIOT!!!

There is nothing realistic about having an enemy approach you CQ and aiming your RPG or noobtoob at the ground in front of you
(2 metres away) and firing.

Hmm, that is true. I don't mind people using AT weapons against infantry, after all it happens IRL.
But shooting at the ground from a couple of meters is annoying.
Perhaps longer downtime if you kill yourself?

Kruder · Post by **Kruder** » 2007-05-21 10:51

Whoever thinks GL are realistic in some way think of the soldier photos or videos you have seen,or better think of actual combat footage we all have seen, have you ever seen a guy with grenade launcher attached to his rifle,if they were that effective every insurgent or US soldier would have one attached or we would see them being used on every footage we watch.

GL in PR have greater kill radius than a tanks HEAT round(or almost same)and they are very accurate,i hope they will be removed completely in a future release.Most noob friendly and unrealistic weapon of PR imo.

About At weapons,the problem is not their kill radius but the quantity of AT class which is said to be fixed in 0.6.

Guerra norte · Post by **Guerra norte** » 2007-05-21 11:05

There should be a shrapnel effect, something like weak bullets spawning at the center of the explosion and travel outwards spherically in a random pattern.
That might stop people being wreckless.

KiltedCoyote · Post by **KiltedCoyote** » 2007-05-21 12:32

jmull wrote:Yeah I know mate......But I'm trying to change it to MR 733T
1337 is old school, the new "in thing" is 733T

at myself!

like its been said b4......nvm 0.6 will be here soon to save the day.
so hopefully we won't have anything to whinge about anymore.

But old school is where its at !