Since its a machinegun, it should be able to place quite many bullets on the target before recoil becomes too bad. But I bet your hip hurt afterwards'[R-PUB wrote:Lifetaker']Are you refereing to the PKM? Sure, any grown man can run around with 30+ pounds of gun and fire it from the hip, but will you hit anything? Probably not what you're shooting at. Someone posted a vid a while back with some Liberians doing the same thing, to the same effect.
The Iraqis firing from the hip probably got picked off quickly. Though I doubt the experienced Chechens and Russians were dumb enough to engage targets in a similar manner.'[R-PUB wrote:Lifetaker']Are you refereing to the PKM? Sure, any grown man can run around with 30+ pounds of gun and fire it from the hip, but will you hit anything? Probably not what you're shooting at. Someone posted a vid a while back with some Liberians doing the same thing, to the same effect.
Yeah yeah I know it's from a few pages back but I've been away (damn Tiscali).Cerberus wrote:M60E4 kicks more butt!
That guy in the video fired 850 rounds without stopping!
It can fire 15,000 rounds before the barrel needs to be changed
It fires 7.62mm rounds.
M60E4 > M249
The test to determine 26,000 rounds between barrel failure isn't done firing 26,000 rounds continously through the weapon. After a certain amount of time at a certain rate of fire, you are going to change out the barrel, because otherwise bad shit is going to happen, like a cookoff. 850 rounds between a barrel change sounds like it would be seriously pushing it. FN recommends that when going full cyclic on the MAG that the barrel be changed every 200 rounds. May I ask where the Hell you get your information?Mad Max wrote:Also 850 is pathetic, utterly utterly pathetic. The FN MAG has gone (quite happily) to 26,000 rounds and beyond without failure, and I think the failure was a barrel blow out (this is non stop firing by the way). The thing may have been transformed to a smoothbore by the end of it but the barrel was still intact right up till the last second (erm, obviously).
They were not referring to Iraqis firing M240s, they were referring to Iraqis firing PKMs. And before you stick your digital foot in your mouth anymore than you already have on this board, I would edit out your last statement, or provide some serious substance to back it up other than "a friend said."Mad Max wrote:Oh and I think that video people are refering to with the "Iraqi's" firing the M240B "from the hip" are mixing it up with the video of the SAS in Afghanistan firing the FN MAG (British version) whilst in local clothing to blend in. It was during a prison break.
Max, if you were not actually present, I would like to request that you abstain from 'speculation' on what U.S. or British forces were or were not doing at the time of the cited incident. All members of any armed service regardless of home nation, show courage just by becoming enlisted. Please, lets keep things as respectful as possible, and not start 'nation-bashing' other armed service groups .Mad Max wrote: Oh and I think that video people are refering to with the "Iraqi's" firing the M240B "from the hip" are mixing it up with the video of the SAS in Afghanistan firing the FN MAG (British version) whilst in local clothing to blend in. It was during a prison break. Was quite funny really, because the SAS were actually fighting and the US Special Forces were hiding behind a wall in their 3 colour-desert's cowering and calling in air support.
You have totally missed the point, Max. With your words, you implied cowardice and malingering on the part of US forces. Unless you were actually there and witnessed this for yourself, and not a video edited for a broadcast intended to highlight the role of UK special operations in that event, you have no fucking right to do so.Mad Max wrote:Erm, what speculation is it? It's in a damn video, it was on discovery. Infact it's on quite a few times a month (yey for repeats). You can tell who's who, unless it was very well staged. The SAS were fighting in local dress with GPMG's and C8A1/M4A1's (more likely C8's) shooting at the Taliban prisoners who were escaping and shooting back, and the US forces present were hiding behind walls and calling in air support. I'll try and dish it out.
It wasn't the fact they were taking cover whilst calling support. The US forces were taking cover full stop. They werent even fighting, at all. They just stood/sat around whilst the British did the work.
I sure would to. We all know about American "accuracy" when "friendlies" are around. Sorry, couldn't resist.Tacamo wrote:There's a large problem with you argument Max. It's not raw footage of the battle. It's obviously been edited and no of us have the raw footage to know what really happened there. For that matter who know's what order the action in that video really occured in. Considering the blast and fragmentation patterns of any aerial bomb I'd be willing to be the Brits were looking for cover too. Expecially when these weapons have CEP ranging from 3-30 meters.
Max, you are way out of line. Stop this bullshit and stop trying to act like you know everything, its real obvious you are far from it so stop digging that hole your in, last warning.Mad Max wrote:I sure would to. We all know about American "accuracy" when "friendlies" are around. Sorry, couldn't resist.
the barrel would warp a long ways before 26000 rounds through sustained fire.Mad Max wrote:Yeah yeah I know it's from a few pages back but I've been away (damn Tiscali).
Anyway, you're saying that like it's a good thing. That my friend is VERY VERY VERY poor for a modern LMG, I mean... ****! It's the latest and greatest M60 ever made, but the fact is the M60 is just ****. It's a good idea poorly executed. Thankfully the US decided to buy the rights to make the FN MAG, ala M240, which is far superior in every way.
About the weight, yes, M240B is a few lb heavier, but that's a full size LMG, the M60E4 is newer, made of lighter materials, made for more mobile units (SEALs) and is smaller (shorter barrel). Also 850 is pathetic, utterly utterly pathetic. The FN MAG has gone (quite happily) to 26,000 rounds and beyond without failure, and I think the failure was a barrel blow out (this is non stop firing by the way). The thing may have been transformed to a smoothbore by the end of it but the barrel was still intact right up till the last second (erm, obviously).
PKMs are good weapons but nothing is wrong with out m240 and its variants.I'd hate to think how many the PKM has fired through it before it jams or fails, considering Russian firing mechanisms are seen as very very reliable compared to western standards.
The video is edited. You arent going to see everything in detail unless you were there. There is no **** measuring contest between US forces and its coalition partners. Also there were Air Force in that video as well (My guess is CCT or TAC-Ps but who really knows?) Just because a clip shows some guys shooting and the next clip shows US troops in the background doesnt mean they werent on the front lines and doesnt mean they are lesser men than the Brits.Oh and I think that video people are refering to with the "Iraqi's" firing the M240B "from the hip" are mixing it up with the video of the SAS in Afghanistan firing the FN MAG (British version) whilst in local clothing to blend in. It was during a prison break. Was quite funny really, because the SAS were actually fighting and the US Special Forces were hiding behind a wall in their 3 colour-desert's cowering and calling in air support.
