Merlin (possibly other choppers) too tough

Post by **Dunehunter** » 2007-09-22 00:09

SuperTimo wrote:ever senn "black hawk down?" not the mot realistic film but its based on reality, chopper hit by RPG rescue mission, plus the merlin i hit was hovering like a sitting duck!

As far as I know, that was mainly because their tail rotor was taken out. However, it's best not to quote BHD on these forums, same thing as for Future Weapons and Fast-roping.

Post by **77SiCaRiO77** » 2007-09-22 01:18

yesterday in jabal i hit a BH in the front , he just move to th carrier , repair and back in less than a minute.

so yeah , LAT need to be more powerfull against choppers

DarkTalon · Post by **DarkTalon** » 2007-09-22 03:10

77SiCaRiO77 wrote:yesterday in jabal i hit a BH in the front , he just move to th carrier , repair and back in less than a minute.

so yeah , LAT need to be more powerfull against choppers

well the BH has the best crash rating of any helicopter. i think that compared to others mi-28, chineese thing and mybe the merlin. it should be able to sustain massive impacts and rough landings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teUwPKDPxSs
tragic that the crew did not survive, but the fuselage hardly took any damage other than the tail.

i'll try to find some of the incredible crash test footage of it slamming down on a runway and just bouncing then coming to a stop.

Post by **77SiCaRiO77** » 2007-09-22 05:15

they are crashses, that chopper wasnt hited by a rpg .

Winterfrost · Post by **Winterfrost** » 2007-09-22 07:45

A black hawk is actually Designed to crash right side up as safely as possible the merlin looks like it has some of the same crash safety features

SuperTimo · Post by **SuperTimo** » 2007-09-22 07:47

i hit the tail rotor so it should crash

INCREASE RPG-7 DAMAGE!!!!!

Reddish Red · Post by **Reddish Red** » 2007-09-22 09:39

SuperTimo wrote:ever senn "black hawk down?" not the mot realistic film but its based on reality, chopper hit by RPG rescue mission, plus the merlin i hit was hovering like a sitting duck!

The Film is diffrent to the book, in the Book it goes into detail about how the Somali's modded there RPG-7s to be Anti-Air, by attaching a cone on the back and standing in a dicth.

And Black Hawk Down, even the book was not entirly realistic.. by placing people that shouden't have been where they where in the Book/Film.

bearking19 · Post by **bearking19** » 2007-09-22 10:15

I think black hawks are weaker than merlins so maybe a merlin can sustain say 1 hit from rpg and still fly back to base?

[uBp]Irish · Post by **[uBp]Irish** » 2007-09-22 15:33

i like how someone said that tanks shouldnt be able to take out a helo...

a tank can pretty much take out anything, so why should a helo be excempt?

it may have never been recorded a tank killing a helo, but tanks crews are taught how to lead aircraft (especially helo's) from different directions. (straight on attck, on either side... etc).

Post by **77SiCaRiO77** » 2007-09-22 15:39

yeah , modern tanks are designed to destroy low fliying helos , and someone said that they carre special amunation to do that .

Sabre_tooth_tigger · Post by **Sabre_tooth_tigger** » 2007-09-22 16:34

When we played with the Apache previously we didnt really find many ammo cache. Pilot cant see that far down so its really just down to the gunner and we'd have to continually circle to find it giving them plenty of time to down us tbh.

20 min spawn would be fine I think

Petey · Post by **Petey** » 2007-09-22 19:51

yeah i shot the merlin with an RPG dead on the center...didnt blow up or anything...

and with the insurgent stinger, its impossible to shoot down the merlin. once u get one shot on the merlin, it flys away super fast back to its base...

DarkTalon · Post by **DarkTalon** » 2007-09-23 01:20

Petey wrote:yeah i shot the merlin with an RPG dead on the center...didnt blow up or anything...

and with the insurgent stinger, its impossible to shoot down the merlin. once u get one shot on the merlin, it flys away super fast back to its base...

well hitting the center really does not mean anything. there are several strategic points such as the engines, the tail, and the cockpit maybe a few more, but just hitting the hull with a shaped charge (RPG) wouldn't do much to the helicopter itself, other than a nasty fleshwound.

Petey · Post by **Petey** » 2007-09-23 13:32

oh so there are really hotspots for viechles in project reality???

WNxKenwayy · Post by **WNxKenwayy** » 2007-09-23 14:40

Listen you smucks.

First off, in the actual Somalia incident, there were THOUSANDS! of RPG's fired at the choppers over the course of the incident. They had modified their RPG's to explode after a certain distance (time of flight) so as to act as a ghetto flak rocket. The RPG's in PR are not modified as such, and in reality it would be all but impossible to hit a BH with one without cooking yourself and your buddies around you, not to mention the simple difficultly in leading and judging the shot.

Next, the reason the BH went down is because it took a hit literally on the rotor, breaking off pieces of the blades. Other BH took hits in the tail section and *gasp* didn't crash because of all the redundancy systems built into the helo.

Post by **Outlawz7** » 2007-09-23 14:45

pasfreak wrote:i think tanks and apc's should NOT be able to shoot down helis. that is what AA is for.
.50 cal, sure, but please make it less effective or less accurate or something? right now its the only thing that actually shoots helis down.
rpgs/hat/lat/aa seems fine to me. it is possible for a chopper to take a hit and still make it home. however, i think we should have some weak spots, strong spots and like a 1 hit kill for the fuel tank.

Fly high or very low behind some hills, don't hover, use speed to gtfo and evasive maneuvers and a tank is the last thing, that could shoot you down.

Bodybag2224 · Post by **Bodybag2224** » 2007-09-23 20:06

WNxKenwayy wrote:Listen you smucks.

First off, in the actual Somalia incident, there were THOUSANDS! of RPG's fired at the choppers over the course of the incident. They had modified their RPG's to explode after a certain distance (time of flight) so as to act as a ghetto flak rocket. The RPG's in PR are not modified as such, and in reality it would be all but impossible to hit a BH with one without cooking yourself and your buddies around you, not to mention the simple difficultly in leading and judging the shot.

Next, the reason the BH went down is because it took a hit literally on the rotor, breaking off pieces of the blades. Other BH took hits in the tail section and *gasp* didn't crash because of all the redundancy systems built into the helo.

Slightly off topic question, but is there backblast from such weapons in PR? And if so can you dammage yourself if you fire it straight up?