shotguns

nedlands1 · Post by **nedlands1** » 2007-10-31 11:38

Superior Mind wrote:If the shotguns are made to have a tighter spread then I suggest using the wrenches cross hair (56) as the zoom sights rather than the standard shotgun one we use now (6) as a place holder for iron sights.

Yeah, that is a better "altGuiIndex".

pasfreak · Post by **pasfreak** » 2007-11-03 17:06

are we gonna eliminate pump action shotguns?
irl the USMC uses the benelli m1014, not the reminton m11-87
and besides, the 11-87 is semi auto anyways.

<1sk>Headshot · Post by **<1sk>Headshot** » 2007-11-03 17:13

Why not just give the engineer a regular M16/M4 with a shotgun attachment on the bottom?

pasfreak · Post by **pasfreak** » 2007-11-03 17:16

because they don't use those
it is experimental.

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2007-11-03 18:12

pasfreak wrote:are we gonna eliminate pump action shotguns?
irl the USMC uses the benelli m1014, not the reminton m11-87
and besides, the 11-87 is semi auto anyways.

No, "we" are not.

And it was discussed among the devs months ago that US will have the M1014 in the next patch and the UK will not.

Swe_Olsson · Post by **Swe_Olsson** » 2007-11-03 18:13

by who is the shotgun's used by in the military? any pictures? I want to see more Scoped rifle's ingame rather then newer models of shotguns

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2007-11-03 18:23

Swe_Olsson wrote:by who is the shotgun's used by in the military? any pictures?

For military operations on urban terrain (MOUT), shotguns are used by infantrymen and other combat arms soldiers designated as breachers. So, a designated rifleman or cavalry/LAR dismount scout would have one in a squad or fireteam. A Marine assaultman (SMAW and Javelin gunner) attached to a rifle platoon for an urban breaching action may carry one in lieu of his rocket or ATGM launcher, since they are also trained in demolitions and obstacle breaching. Likewise, a combat engineer "chopped" to an infantry unit might carry one for the same task, as they can receive what is known as "dynamic entry" training, as well.

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Shotguns are also used in jungle warfare. The Brunei resident battalion of the Royal Gurkha Rifles can sometimes be seen with a shotgun or two in their rifle and recce sections.

Military police and other troops with a force protection role carry them for perimeter security, guarding enemy prisoners of war (EPWs) and less lethal/riot control.

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Swe_Olsson · Post by **Swe_Olsson** » 2007-11-03 18:38

Thanks eddie, i kinda figured it was used in the army just not sure in whatkind of operations

nedlands1 · Post by **nedlands1** » 2007-12-21 08:44

*BUMP* 0.7 update? More realistic buckshot spread? ie ~1 inch spread per yard of travel (Source: http://books.google.com/books?id=DB82v7DdYygC&pg=PA206&lpg=PA206&dq=shotgun+spread+rule+of+thumb+forensic&source=web&ots=JhRUJ6-7iT&sig=XzfUdeZFPpe5c82VhQJOFbzIBsc#PPA206,M1) . This means adjusting the "ObjectTemplate.deviation.subProjectileDev" modifier value from "3" to "0.795". In all, a few minutes work and a world of difference.