MOA of Handheld Weapons

Post by **M.J.Patterson** » 2007-08-27 15:32

I'd guess they are PR values since most of the weapons don't even exist in vBF2

SethLive! · Post by **SethLive!** » 2007-08-27 16:32

Rico11b wrote:You can even single shot the SAW if try.
R

in real life a saw is equally or more accurate than an m16.

but yeah...the guns are way too accurate while prone and crouching

VipersGhost · Post by **VipersGhost** » 2007-08-27 17:13

I just want to see these as realistic as possible, so many of these are just incredibly too accurate. I don't mind a little "extra" for the standing and crouched positions.

El_Vikingo · Post by **El_Vikingo** » 2007-08-27 17:19

I hope this teaches people to stop firing off a AT launcher whilst prone.

VipersGhost · Post by **VipersGhost** » 2007-08-27 17:45

El_Vikingo wrote:I hope this teaches people to stop firing off a AT launcher whilst prone.

I think this fact should be included in the manual.

ArmedDrunk&Angry · Post by **ArmedDrunk&Angry** » 2007-08-27 18:32

Great Job
Thank You !!!

SiN|ScarFace · Post by **SiN|ScarFace** » 2007-08-27 20:33

So when does this get added?

nedlands1 · Post by **nedlands1** » 2007-08-28 02:15

Rico11b wrote: You forgot to answer my earlier question though. Are your values from vBF2 or PR? I'm assuming PR, am I correct in that assumption? Thanks for taking the time to put that spreadsheet together for all of us.

R

You are correct in that assumption and thank you for your support.

MoonDawg · Post by **MoonDawg** » 2007-08-28 18:19

El_Vikingo wrote:I hope this teaches people to stop firing off a AT launcher whilst prone.

I find this strange. I see the figures, but have no idea why they are so.
It certainly doesn't apply in reality.

On the other hand, great work Nedlands1, nice to see some hard figures after all my personal testing on the virtual range.

Post by **Bob_Marley** » 2007-08-28 21:56

MoonDawg wrote:I find this strange. I see the figures, but have no idea why they are so.
It certainly doesn't apply in reality.

Well firing an RPG-7 from prone can give you serious back problems due to the recoil, add to that the back blast and you might burn up your back pretty good if you're lying down.

And the other weapons all have the same back blast issue which could cause some serious pain. IIRC the LAW-80 (Brit L-AT weapon) has a back blast somewhere in the region of 20 meters or more.

M72 LAW reference page

scroll down to "firing positions" and note the prone position illistration. Imagine trying to accurately pull off a shot positioned like that, especially with something like an RPG-7.

Rico11b · Post by **Rico11b** » 2007-08-29 00:39

Bob_Marley wrote:Well firing an RPG-7 from prone can give you serious back problems due to the recoil, add to that the back blast and you might burn up your back pretty good if you're lying down.

And the other weapons all have the same back blast issue which could cause some serious pain. IIRC the LAW-80 (Brit L-AT weapon) has a back blast somewhere in the region of 20 meters or more.

M72 LAW reference page

scroll down to "firing positions" and note the prone position illistration. Imagine trying to accurately pull off a shot positioned like that, especially with something like an RPG-7.

What "recoil"?
And as far as firing positions goes there is nothing hard about that prone position. If standing on your head to shoot is the only shot you have, then you most likely will take it, if you can be assured of a good chance for a hit. The idea of the modified prone is to keep the exhaust gases off the shooters legs. It's not deadly to the shooter, but it would sure hurt like hell. You can fire a rifle in that same position as well. Granted it won't be as comfortable, but it can be done. The danger area is more like 15 meters. It's not supposed to be fired from an enclosed space, but you do what ya gotta do, when the lead slinging starts.

El_Vikingo · Post by **El_Vikingo** » 2007-08-29 01:40

Not the way the the RPG/Launcher is fired in PR, with the launchers arse on your back, instead of as in the illustration.

Rico11b · Post by **Rico11b** » 2007-08-29 01:49

El_Vikingo wrote:Not the way the the RPG/Launcher is fired in PR, with the launchers arse on your back, instead of as in the illustration.

Right. Probably not a way to model that in game either. Might turn out to be more trouble than it is worth really.

MoonDawg · Post by **MoonDawg** » 2007-08-29 06:36

The recoil isn't an issue, as there is none.
I know there is a backblast, but this is in reality solved by lying perpendicular to the "tube."
I have actually fired several shots with Eryx, and 84mm "Carl Gustav,"
All from prone, and all with tremendous accuracy.
The blast shock makes you dizzy for a few moments after, though, especially for your loader.
It doesn't ruin the game for me, but is just a weird descision.

Long Bow · Post by **Long Bow** » 2007-08-29 12:56

Very very nice work nedlands1!

This is the type of info that can actually help us in forming solutions to problems instead of just complaining.

nedlands1 · Post by **nedlands1** » 2007-09-04 07:18

Ty, I thought it would clear up some disputes(or create more:twisted

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Polka · Post by **Polka** » 2007-09-04 11:31

[R-DEV]Jaymz wrote:nevertheless, great job

Agreed

nedlands1 · Post by **nedlands1** » 2007-09-22 03:55

Changes: Checked for accuracy with the new version of PR and found no changes.

Rico11b · Post by **Rico11b** » 2007-12-07 16:53

Bumping this to refresh the topic

Gotta love me

R