Please make the Little Bird behave more like the other choppers.

[Mongolian_dude]

of course any suggestions are welcome but I suggest you give us a little more than "the LB is hard to fly" can you detail more precisly what is difficult?

The LB is the easyest Helicopter to fly in PR atm and that is the problem. The LB scout/gunz is such a raping machine these days, now i realize. If you just keep trying, you will find that it is still VERY possible to do the whirl of death, especialy with the rocket pods.

Atm, the LB is like having clip mode activated, as its really that simple. I can see that a slight shift towards the physics of the Cobra/Gazell/Wasp(Chinese thing), but it's not enough.
It would be far more realistic and fair the have the physics the SAME as the MEC and PLA scout ships. I could see the lynx being quite maneuverable but none of the three in game atm.

Aswell as flight physics, weaponary is slightly imbalanced.

Since the LB has 7.62 miniguns, the RoF is gonna be pretty dam high, so splash DMG for higher level of ricochets and relative DMG against heavy jeeps and downwards.

The Gazelle, IRL, is equipable with 20mm cannons, with a RoF of 300 or 700rpm. Id say 300 as it only carries 100rounds. Hitting infantry would be harder then the LB but it could do a fair deal of damage to heavy jeeps and down, and perhaps doing something to APCs?

The Z-11 has 2x50cal MGs, cut i doulnt find ammo count
Well, those would be just two 50cals i'd guess.

Ofcourse, im probly wrong about somethin here so someone is gonna know more and rip me up about it

...mongol...

[Celestial1]

Personally I prefer *most* of the LB's mechanics. I have lowered my sensitivity by .5 for choppers and all of my movements are very smooth and accurate, not somewhat wobbly like the default. The problem I find with the Gazelle/Wasp is that they're almost top-heavy or back-heavy (haven't had a chance to really use them recently so I can't remember what it was) and are somewhat strange to gun with, because you have to constantly readjust your positioning due to the changes in flightpath. I love the littlebird's flight mechanics, and I very rarely use tail-rotor to turn. I use a mouse and keyboard to fly, and I find that the easiest way to land the little bird is a slight forward skid-landing because when you land to heavy pulling back, the chopper kind of bounces forward and back up.

I personally think the Huey would be a great replacement if it held to the LB's flight but with less tipsy-topsy...ness and less tail-rotor manueverability. If the Gazelle/"Wasp" manuevered the same way I would be more likely to fly on the other sides. Also, like the machine gun comments, maybe the LB should have much less damaging bullets, but a larger "radius" of damage, while the rockets retain their current lethality, and the Gaz/Wasp with more damaging rounds that have less radius. So, say, the LB can take out a chopper in about 25 rounds while a Gazelle/Wasp can take one out with 10-15?

Ideas.

[MAINERROR]

@ VipersGhost thats what i meant ... you can apply rudder at higher speed with the LB but with the other helos it won't work.

[Mongolian_dude]

Personally I prefer *most* of the LB's mechanics.

Why do you like it? Because its the best and i have a distinct feeling that it being as good as it is not realistic and it sure isn't balanced, either. It really shouldn't be possible to do the whirl of death still, with these machines. Its weapons are by far the best, even without the rocket pods and most people on maps like Qwai don't even bother using the guns, since a kill is just one click away and you don't have to break the whirl for that kill.
Also, the negative collective on the LB is much better(realistic?) than the Gazelle and the Z-11. It allows you to descend effectively, as well as drop your speed and stabilize better. Now, im not saying that is a terribly bad thing, but it doesn't apply so well to the MEC and PLA chopper, giving the LB another advantage, i wouldn't think it would have.

Yes, it is down to my personal ability, but after strafing a group of about 12 men, giving pesky HAT fire to our MBTs, 5 times in a row, with what appears to be pretty accurate fire. I got about 4 kills with the Gazelle on Al Kufrah, from that little episode. Thats allot of rounds with little to show.
It really doesnt feel like your firing 2x12.7mm rounds at 750rpm.

...mongol...

[unrealalex]

The LB is wobbly when I fly it. When I slow down to a hover, or try to land, it wobbles all over the place, and then no matter how small a correction I make, it turn into a major overcorrection.

Thats exactly what happens to me.
That and the roll upon landing. I'm curious as to why the MEC little bird equivalent on Kashan for example, does not roll like the little bird upon landing.

[Cheeseman]

Of course Bf2 is made to fly with joysticks...look at plane pilots, you think the good ones use keyboard/mouse?
My problem is that it rolls over

O'really? I use my mouse to fly and I'm one of the best PR/BF2 pilots you'll get to see these days. I haven't been playing PR lately, but when I'm on and in a server with aircrafts you'll find Cheeseman usually flying around doing crazy *** tricks while also doing his part to help his teammates.

Also Stalin is another PR player who uses his keyboard to fly and he's even better than me.

I haven't made much videos of my flying, but long time ago I made one in vBF2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVgvIv_WCv0

[Sabre_tooth_tigger]

Thats exactly what happens to me.
That and the roll upon landing. I'm curious as to why the MEC little bird equivalent on Kashan for example, does not roll like the little bird upon landing.

Thats the eurocopter I think, its pure evil to fly so nice landing must be its one positive. On the other hand I prefer the Pla WZ heli to the littlebird. LB wants to fly upside now but its still easiest to fly

Is lynx in next version maybe? I didnt expect anymore then the merlin which is a fine model normally


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[Guerra]

nooooooo

Keep the little bird as it is.

It's the only chopper in PR that flies perfectly.

[Mongolian_dude]

It's the only chopper in PR that flies perfectly.

I think a compromise with the LB and its counterparts would be perfect.

...mongol...

[101 bassdrive]

Its weapons are by far the best, even without the rocket pods and most people on maps like Qwai don't even bother using the guns, since a kill is just one click away and you don't have to break the whirl for that kill.
Also, the negative collective on the LB is much better(realistic?) than the Gazelle and the Z-11. It allows you to descend effectively, as well as drop your speed and stabilize better

agree, the rockets can be overkill and dont need much skill imo. I prefer strafing infantry with the double mg since its not such a cheap shot but I admit I mostly wont bother about when its equiped with rockets.
theyre still needed on that map though since the PLA apc has a higher RoF and the marine infantry also has to deal with 2 tanks.

I feel sorry for the pilots entering the eurocopter. I taunt em before finishing em off, circling around them till they resignate..

slightly, just slighty inferior flying attributes but more powerful guns. thats what Id wish for the PLA/ MEC variants
so yeah, a compromise would be perfect. if it means that the PLA/ MEC helos catch up to the LB and not that it has to backup.

[TF6049]

it starts to roll, and I usually die if I dont take off right away. I dont know if it's my joystick or what... I always make sure I'm landing softly, that the LB is leveled..and it still happens. I realize the solution is to hover and not land but thats not how it should work.
I can fly the MEC chopper equivalent great, it does not have the rolling problem, nor does the blackhawk or the merlin...
Would it be so bad to make it behave like the MEC equivalent?
I KNOW for 100%, I'm not the only one having this problem.

If it rolls on it's left side, use right rudder and vice versa. However, keep the throttle @ 0 %.

Hope that helps.

BTW, things are highlighted to better clarify them. And, the BH and Merlin have a lot of landing area. Think of a motorcycle and a car. The motorcycle isn't very wide and is more prone to falling over (it has less area to distribute its weight over). The car doesnt. The littlebrid is the motorcycle and the merlin/BH are the car.

[Celestial1]

Personally I prefer *most* of the LB's mechanics.

I have already changed my mind about this. Having played Kashan last night, and trying their Gazelle after a much needed test drive, I realized it flies much more like it should than the LB does. I would much more like to see the LB have the Gazelle/Wasp flight dynamics, but again with the skids hopefully. Also, one thing I have an annoyance about the Gaz (not sure if it applies to the PLA variant, but I think it does) The chopper has to lean back to really hover, and in flight it kind of tips forward bit by bit making me readjust every 5-10 seconds to keep in that perfect "tip" but the Gazelle is much easier to land, isn't wobbly, and is a much more smooth flight than the UBERz OMG LB rudder bull.

When the Huey makes it's debut (I'm assuming it's coming for the USMC to replace the LB iirc), I surely hope that it holds to the Gazelle's flight and landing (excluding the fact it has skids, but I would think that the skids shouldn't be too much of a problem to fix, huh? Just a faster stop on the ground instead of a slight roll?) and I'd absolutely love it if the tipping is fixed/changed (It is much easier to hover in the LB and say waste some MG fire into the door of the mine or such at a level hover, but from what I tried it'd seem you'd have to be about 2-4m lower than the object you want to hit in the Gazelle when hovering).

Also, just thought to look on google for a picture of a chinese scout helicopter, and found the "Wasp", albeit on a hobby toy shop website... Anyway, it appears a Z-9, not sure if it has a nickname or not.

[cannibal23]

Thats exactly what happens to me.
That and the roll upon landing. I'm curious as to why the MEC little bird equivalent on Kashan for example, does not roll like the little bird upon landing.

just look at the physical shape of the fusalge. its weight is spread out alot more even over longer skids. the little bird can be a little bouncy from time to time. in real life if you took a pilot from one heli and put him in a totaly diffrent heli he wont do as well. essentually its diffrent equipment and you have to fly it like its diffrent equipment. every tank jet heli all have diffrent charactoristics that a their crew must master in order to survive and to do their jobs. if your having trouble it just means you need to practice a little more. there are practice maps available here on the forum that will help you (dont practice on pub servers please).

[BloodBane611]

The last post in this thread was more than 6 months ago....ridiculous necro.

[GrayeKnight]

Locking, as the last post was > 6 months ago, and new versions have come out.

Please try to not revive old threads if possible.



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