Recoil: Scopes vs. Iron sights #2

Pariel · Post by **Pariel** » 2008-02-22 01:05

Something definitely needs to be done to even up the scoped/iron-ed rifles. I don't care if the scoped recoil goes up, or if iron recoil goes down, or even if both move to some happy medium. But they need to be equalized.

Just as a clarification, does the scoped version have .4 or .6 the recoil of the unscoped?

nedlands1 · Post by **nedlands1** » 2008-02-22 01:21

Pariel wrote:Just as a clarification, does the scoped version have .4 or .6 the recoil of the unscoped?

0.6 times the recoil, when zoomed. (ObjectTemplate.recoil.zoomModifier 0.6)

1942_Sniper · Post by **1942_Sniper** » 2008-02-22 01:29

Well, In real life if you are shooting with a scope the recoil should be a little more than it actually is and that you should have to move the reticle down a little more than what is is now to get the same shot as before. Right now I think iron sights are more, so no i think the should not be the same scope should be more.

scarmoe · Post by **scarmoe** » 2008-02-22 01:43

they should have an equal amount of recoil.

horror · Post by **horror** » 2008-02-22 15:20

i voted for more recoil on scoped rifles.
of course irl is the recoil the same on both types but in the game i would prefer more recoil on scopes to make it more balanced for the other classes.

more recoil but no deviation would be my suggestion

joethepro36 · Post by **joethepro36** » 2008-02-22 16:22

i voted for scopes having more recoil and it says equal now....
i don't know how that happened with that
reasons are the same as the guy above me

Heskey · Post by **Heskey** » 2008-02-22 16:24

The scope doesn't change the gun, why the hell does the scope affect recoil?

zangoo · Post by **zangoo** » 2008-02-22 20:37

it wouldnt they should have the same set recoil ingame, the zoom for the scoped gun will make it look even bigger then the ironsights so you dont need to give the scoped gun more recoil cus if it has the same it will look like it has more.

00SoldierofFortune00 · Post by **00SoldierofFortune00** » 2008-02-22 20:58

=BMI=Richy wrote:even though it might not be realistic, scoped rifles should have slightly more recoil to encourage the use of more kits with iron sights like medic and engi, and to try stop people from thinking scoped rifles are still automatic snipers.

I am sure 75% of you do not play with iron sights. The medic, engineer, and rifleman ammo kit has to have some advantage over the other kits or else people will just not play them. Rifleman ammo kit is basically a useless kit and has turned in the old Rifleman AP kit from 0.5 because it doesn't have any advantages over the regular rifleman kit which has a scope. The ammo bag is suppose to entice people, but it usually doesn't.

Same with the medic class. How do you expect the medics that actually medic to keep playing if they can just easily get picked off at long range? Not calling for a big change, but just a little something to even it out with.

Post by **Deadfast** » 2008-02-22 21:18

00SoldierofFortune00 wrote:I am sure 75% of you do not play with iron sights. The medic, engineer, and rifleman ammo kit has to have some advantage over the other kits or else people will just not play them. Rifleman ammo kit is basically a useless kit and has turned in the old Rifleman AP kit from 0.5 because it doesn't have any advantages over the regular rifleman kit which has a scope. The ammo bag is suppose to entice people, but it usually doesn't.

Same with the medic class. How do you expect the medics that actually medic to keep playing if they can just easily get picked off at long range? Not calling for a big change, but just a little something to even it out with.

Are you sure you're quoting the right person?

The guy just said that scoped rifles should have more recoil than iron-sighted ones.

BloodBane611 · Post by **BloodBane611** » 2008-02-22 21:48

How do you expect the medics that actually medic to keep playing if they can just easily get picked off at long range? Not calling for a big change, but just a little something to even it out with.

I play at least 50% of my time as either an engineer or medic, and I have found that the other tools I am given far outweigh the lack of an optic.

00SoldierofFortune00 · Post by **00SoldierofFortune00** » 2008-02-23 05:08

BloodBane611 wrote:I play at least 50% of my time as either an engineer or medic, and I have found that the other tools I am given far outweigh the lack of an optic.

That maybe true on some maps, but on maps like Kashan where optics are necessary to survive, you have to rely on your teammates a little too much.

And all the medic really has is the shock paddles and extra bandages which the SL even has, so the medic kit is becoming less and less enticing.

Deadmonkiefart · Post by **Deadmonkiefart** » 2008-02-23 05:52

THEY SOULD HAVE THE SAME, JUST LIKE IRL!

Deadmonkiefart · Post by **Deadmonkiefart** » 2008-02-23 05:59

Jonny wrote:voted yes,
the scope should appear to have more recoil than the iron sights, due to zoom.

The question was not if one should appear to have more recoil. The question is is they should have the same recoil. The scope appears to have more recoil, but that's just because it is exaggerated by the zoom. The should have EQUAL recoil,

Sabre_tooth_tigger · Post by **Sabre_tooth_tigger** » 2008-02-23 15:04

If they had equal recoil using that scope is going to become much harder I think

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CAS_117 · Post by **CAS_117** » 2008-02-25 05:57

So much controversy over the simplest question ever. On the plus side I've learned one thing, people don't know what recoil is.

nedlands1 · Post by **nedlands1** » 2008-02-25 07:53

[R-CON]CAS_117 wrote:So much controversy over the simplest question ever. On the plus side I've learned one thing, people don't know what recoil is.

Yeah it's the muzzle climb that this poll is really about.

CAS_117 · Post by **CAS_117** » 2008-02-25 08:28

[R-CON]nedlands1 wrote:Yeah it's the muzzle climb that this poll is really about.

Which is caused by recoil. I get what you mean but this thread was largely intended to be rhetorical. The recoil/muzzle climb should be the same but whatever this is getting a little long for me.

Pluizert · Post by **Pluizert** » 2008-02-25 10:04

Shooting from the hip both weapons should have the same recoil.
But if you are looking through the scope you should of course get more recoil, cause you are zoomed in... duh!

Post by **Deadfast** » 2008-02-25 12:58

[R-CON]CAS_117 wrote:So much controversy over the simplest question ever. On the plus side I've learned one thing, people don't know what recoil is.

I agree.

People, listen up.

This poll is not about the visual effect of the recoil seen through the scopes.
It's about the numeric value defined in weapon configs.

Of course that recoil (and therefore the effect of muzzle climb) will look bigger while seen through the scope. The simple logic says that if the scope magnifies 4 times the recoil will look 4 time bigger than with 1x magnification, while the actual kick you'll feel on your shoulder stays the same.

Recoil: Scopes vs. Iron sights #2

Should Scoped versions of weapons have more recoil that iron-sighted?