Post 0.75 - weapon deviation didn't need to be changed

Post by **Masaq** » 2008-03-24 23:14

Next personal attack will net warning points.

Stay civil.

Neoboy · Post by **Neoboy** » 2008-03-24 23:29

I didn't actually read the patch notes fully but had a proper bash tonight at PR since the update and did notice that my fire was a lot more accurate. I thought it was just down to the low ping

Waaah_Wah · Post by **Waaah_Wah** » 2008-03-25 00:27

Rico11b wrote:You really are dense aren't you? You are just arguing now the sake of arguing. I suppose you are acting the part of the "idiot" from your sig. You certainly seem to be demonstrating your experience at the moment. Do you actually play PR in multi-player or are you just guestimating now? Surely you must be playing a different game than we are.

Well, we are obviously not playing the same game...

Just because you get the Suppression Effect (SE) doesn't mean you cant fire. The SE has no effect on accuracy that I am aware of. If you lined up the target before he fires on you first, you can click the mouse and still hit him. I see it happen a lot and I have done it a lot. Even while not being able to see ****. Hell I did the same thing to Spearhead during build testing.

You have a point there, but i dont see that as a big issue since i move when someone is shooting at me instead of sitting in the same spot while hes firing at me.

Yes you can take out multiple opponents if they are to close together. Very easily as well. I did that very thing 2 nights ago. Two players where lying prone on a hill side, and I opened fire. I missed both of them, but it activated the SE for both and they didn't have any idea where I was. Two shots later they were both KIA. That was a distance of 183 meters according to the attack marker that I placed on there bodies after the fact. I was also standing up at the time.

And what exactly is so wrong with that? They made a mistake and should be punished for that. If that was in 0.7, im sure you would have lots of fun in clicking the mouse button 50 times to hit one of them...

You are correct on one thing though. You can't Run-N-Gun in game anymore. However, you CAN Run-Stop-Gun, and you can fire just as well when you stop as you could have in .6 release.

Again, if you face multiple oppenents and if they arent playing with their feet, they will kill you.

.......

ReaperMAC · Post by **ReaperMAC** » 2008-03-25 01:26

Waaah_Wah wrote:You have a point there, but i dont see that as a big issue since i move when someone is shooting at me instead of sitting in the same spot while hes firing at me.

Yes, we move too when someone is shooting at us, but that is not the point.

Waaah_Wah wrote:And what exactly is so wrong with that? They made a mistake and should be punished for that. If that was in 0.7, im sure you would have lots of fun in clicking the mouse button 50 times to hit one of them...

In v.7 I NEVER had to click 50 times to kill someone, NEVER. Like Wolfe said, theres more to PR than just killing or "clicking 50 times until I get lucky." You also missed Rico's point. He was able to get a headshot almost 200m out against a couple of guys on a hillside. It shouldn't be that easy.

Waaah_Wah wrote:Again, if you face multiple oppenents and if they arent playing with their feet, they will kill you.

As with my previous post, not entirely true at all.

Well... it seems that we are getting no where with these arguments, lets just hope the DEVs do the right thing.

CDN-SMOKEJUMPER · Post by **CDN-SMOKEJUMPER** » 2008-03-25 07:15

I don't like the .7 deviation and like it more now, it's not perfect put then that is not the DEV's fault and if someone gets sway to work I'll be happy. Then you can try and compensate for sway and pull the trigger when it sways to the point you want having holes put into.

That's how you fire in real life, breath in barrel drops breath out barrel moves up. I used to squeeze the trigger when I exhale. I hope you make it work as I strongly dislike seeing a bullet veer off away from where I have my aiming points. I do not mind though having those difficult shots made far more difficult because my sights are swaying back and forth. It would also make a kill for more pleasurable especially if ballistics where a factor!

Also, stop painting gamers with such a broad brush. I love having a high K/D ratio, I also love working as a team. I like flying the helo's I like sniping sometimes, sometimes I like being Mr Truck driver. Sometimes I just feel like being a Rambo wannabe.

There are some real big ego's and opinions here on what is real and what is not. How many of you have any clue what is real and not when it comes to firing a weapon in combat? I'm willing to bet very few as I've not seen one personal "when I was in Afganistan in a firefight" story...... I've been shooting for a long time and am ex military (not a vet though) and rifles are accurate, it's all down to the shooter and conditions but at 100 to 200M my bullets went where I wanted them to. This again is why I'm loving the sway and ballistics idea so we can pitch random deviation into the bin. Good luck with it, I bet it's hard to work out.

Wheeter · Post by **Wheeter** » 2008-03-25 07:37

Squads firing off tons of rounds at each other till someone drops dead is way more fun compared to instant headshots, maybe upping the deviation and damage would work...

Post by **bosco_** » 2008-03-25 09:59

Let's pray for sway!

nedlands1 · Post by **nedlands1** » 2008-03-25 12:39

[R-PUB]bosco wrote:Let's pray for sway!

If only PR was for BF2142....

101 bassdrive · Post by **101 bassdrive** » 2008-03-25 14:38

make it that everytime you switch stance your character randomly moves some inches to the left or right ( but without the johnwoo roll when going prone) so that you cant just pop up behind a hill and have the target perfectly centered?

Mora · Post by **Mora** » 2008-03-25 15:03

I find the current deviation good. The solders are trained and not some amateurs.

Rico11b · Post by **Rico11b** » 2008-03-25 16:30

CDN-SMOKEJUMPER wrote:Sometimes I just feel like being a Rambo wannabe.

There are some real big ego's and opinions here on what is real and what is not. How many of you have any clue what is real and not when it comes to firing a weapon in combat? I'm willing to bet very few as I've not seen one personal "when I was in Afganistan in a firefight" story...... I've been shooting for a long time and am ex military (not a vet though) and rifles are accurate, it's all down to the shooter and conditions but at 100 to 200M my bullets went where I wanted them to. This again is why I'm loving the sway and ballistics idea so we can pitch random deviation into the bin. Good luck with it, I bet it's hard to work out.

That's cool. Sometimes I feel like playing Rambo and just running and gunning too. I usually load up BF2 when I'm in that mood. Maybe you should too. Run-N-Gun is much more fun in BF2 than in PR, at least you have a chance of staying alive longer

As for the ego, and combat veteran part of your statement. I don't feel like that was aimed at me, but I will respond with my feelings on it anyway.

I am a combat veteran. I have many "when I was in such-n-such a place in a firefight" kinds of stories. But you nor anyone else will ever hear a single dam one of those stories! Because frankly it's none of your business, and many things are still "CLASSIFIED". Also there are many events in those stories that I would rather not journey to again, if you know what I mean.

Besides all that, some people won't believe your story if you were to tell it anyway, so why bother. There are many knuckleheads on this and other forums that won't believe anything you tell them, no matter how many people swear it to be true. Mostly because they are close-minded know nothings that put their "faith" in so-called experts.

You said you were prior service, then you of all people should know better than to ask for something like that on a public forum! Furthermore I don't have to share a story for people to understand or believe what I'm saying.

In addition to all that, I'm a big game Hunter. I reload my own ammo for my all my rifles, and up to 18 months ago I competed in local long rifle matches. So I know a thing or two about shooting, ballistics, and expected rifle accuracy. You will just have to take my word for it, and if you can't do that then we can't go any further.
We will just have to agree to disagree and part as friends. I have no reason to mislead anyone here, so I think you need to back up and punt. Like I said, I don't feel your statement was aimed at me, but that's how I feel about it nonetheless.

R

DeadboyUSMC · Post by **DeadboyUSMC** » 2008-03-25 19:06

I have plenty of stories, I just don't want/ need to post them online.

ReaperMAC · Post by **ReaperMAC** » 2008-03-25 19:37

Mora wrote:The solders are trained and not some amateurs.

That argument has been beaten to the ground, don't start it up again.

[R-CON]nedlands1 wrote:If only PR was for BF2142....

Should be cheap now eh?

Halcyon · Post by **Halcyon** » 2008-03-25 23:12

I think we can let this rest until the weapon sway changes are implemented, then we'll see how it is.

Rico11b · Post by **Rico11b** » 2008-03-25 23:20

Halcyon wrote:I think we can let this rest until the weapon sway changes are implemented, then we'll see how it is.

I would prefer to NOT let it rest... But instead to let it Marinate.

R

Halcyon · Post by **Halcyon** » 2008-03-25 23:26

Rico11b wrote:I would prefer to NOT let it rest... But instead to let it Marinate.

R

Ok Rico, it can Marinate while it's resting.

turnpipe · Post by **turnpipe** » 2008-03-25 23:28

With the new deviation I know whats going on and can correct my aim accordingly.

BloodBane611 · Post by **BloodBane611** » 2008-03-26 04:09

I feel calmer with this marination going on.....excellent idea.

General_J0k3r · Post by **General_J0k3r** » 2008-03-26 10:09

yeah. and when it's done we can have some nice BBQ