Bring back the crewman's wrench?

[Outlawz7]

Why does everyone say, that if crewmen get a wrench, the tanks will be indestructible?

There's plenty around to kill tanks and plenty more to decapitate crewmen sitting outside their armor.

If a crewman repairs his tank with a wrench in the middle of nowhere, all of a sudden that is ridiculous and unacceptable, but if a bunch of engineers do it with the same effect of keeping the tank alive in the middle of the battle, then it's teamwork and everyone have orgasms at "hey that tank got hit and a bunch of engineers welded him back together, yay"

...Crewmen wrenching tanks is no different than engineers doing the same, only difference is that you need a third person who gets rewarded with dying from getting teamkilled and killed all the time. So either give wrenches back to crewmen or nerf the engineer wrench so it can't repair armor or vehicles at all - then everyone can happily retreat back to base ever after.

[Teek]

The reason why crewman wrenches was that when ever a Tank took a hit, it would pull back out of sight and reappear a minute late full health, esp. lone wolf tanks.

[M.Warren]

Bring back the crewman wrench at a price.

If it is implemented again it should only repair the tank up to 25% health, essentially on a better than nothing basis. This is simply to help stop the tank from burning and extinguish the flames so that the tank can be kept up and running but still vulnerable to tank fire as it still can be destroyed in 1 hit if it is at 25% health. This will still preserve the importance of having an engineer as he will still be needed if any severe damage has been withstood such as a disabled turret or a thrown tread and return back up to a 100% operational status.

Give engineers back thier ammo/repair utility vehicles.

It's been suggested by myself and others already, but truely the engineer vehicles should be brought back. Atleast have the engineer truck repair vehicles as fast as the Command Post. But also have it rearm ammo at 50% speed of the Command Post so that you can still reside on the battlefield but at the cost of speed for convienience.

Also another note about the engineer trucks. They should be given 2 standard ammo dumps (Not supply crates.) so that engineers have a means to deploy minefields without the potential possiblity of some random person stealing the vehicle for thier own use as only engineers can operate them. Besides the engineer trucks does not even have a .50 caliber MG on it, additional ammo dumps are an acceptable compensation.

[Outlawz7]

Hooray for Warren.

The reason why crewman wrenches was that when ever a Tank took a hit, it would pull back out of sight and reappear a minute late full health, esp. lone wolf tanks.

And crewed tanks which get hit, pull back, get repaired by the engineer and come back out, are not an issue?

I already present the perfect risk a crewman wrenching his tank would have to take - die while outside your tank. If you engineer gets shot, you don't give a damn, you just go back and pick him up, but if you died while repairing the tank yourself, then it would have serious consequences for you as you'd had to retrieve the tank and risk getting killed again or just waste an asset in the middle of nowhere - or not die and you're saved.

[Psyko]

It would make most tanks near indestructible...

If you havnt destroyed the tank fully on the first try, then the tank has allready survived and is fully within it's rights to repair IMO. But saying that...i play armour more than infantry or air on PR, and mostly the weapons are good enough to destroy the tank or immobilise it within a two hit combo. C4 X2 destroyes, mines destroy and on some occasions only took out a track (good effect ) RPGs take years to kill tanks, and HATs usually can take it out with a vertical strike or rear strike but mostly takes 2 good hits.

My point is, if it aint dead, then you havn't done your job.

[Waaah_Wah]

Bring back the crewman wrench at a price.

If it is implemented again it should only repair the tank up to 25% health, essentially on a better than nothing basis.

That is not possible. You cant limit how much you can repair something, only the speed

And no for the love of God dont bring it back in. I actually like the advantage of having an engineer in my tank. And Outlawz, yes tank would get "indestructable" if the wrench is returned. Remember 0.6? You had one man tanks standing on hilltops shooting everything in sight, and when you finally hit them with that HAT they reversed, repaired and came up again 2-3 min later. When i shoot a tank i actually want him to either blow up or gtfo. I dont want him to reverse behind a hill for repairs. In 0.6, i could easily go 40+ - 0 when i was soloing in a tank. I dont think that i've died more than like 5 times when outside of my tank.

[bosco_]

What's next, the minimap?

[77SiCaRiO77]

And no for the love of God dont bring it back in. I actually like the advantage of having an engineer in my tank. And Outlawz, yes tank would get "indestructable" if the wrench is returned. Remember 0.6? You had one man tanks standing on hilltops shooting everything in sight, and when you finally hit them with that HAT they reversed, repaired and came up again 2-3 min later. When i shoot a tank i actually want him to either blow up or gtfo. I dont want him to reverse behind a hill for repairs. In 0.6, i could easily go 40+ - 0 when i was soloing in a tank. I dont think that i've died more than like 5 times when outside of my tank.

uhum, and how is that diferent from an engenier repairing the same tank behindthe same hill and inthe same amount of time ?

[Outlawz7]

uhum, and how is that diferent from an engenier repairing the same tank behindthe same hill and inthe same amount of time ?

Exactly.

[bosco_]

Having to have an engineer promotes teamwork

[Waaah_Wah]

^^Exactly, and not all tanks have engineers (hehe usualy only mine ). And i like that fully crewed tanks have this advantage. Why do you have a problem with returning to base to find an engineer instead of bailing out to repair?

[bigwookie]

i agree with Outlawz

Having to have an engineer promotes teamwork

on a organised match maybe but on a public server you cant count on anyone wanting to be a engineer when they could have a scoped rifle and kill people instead of been a spanner monkey.

[TheSkudDestroyer]

I don't seem to ever have a problem finding a reliable engi for my tanks.

[bigwookie]

your lucky then, theres many a time you see tanks a pillboxes

[ReaperMAC]

What's next, the minimap?

No... bringing back SL spawn

P.S. you can always find a decent engineer on Tactical Gamer, so I don't see the problem of 'finding' engineers who want scopes and want to kill people .

[DeltaFart]

BUt remember Reap, that's TG, its like a whole other mod there

[Waaah_Wah]

I dont have any problems with finding engineers on T&T or the RIP servers either... Or .:iGi:. for that matter

[Outlawz7]

Having to have an engineer promotes teamwork

Ok, then make engineering more user friendly and sane.
Last time I had people that wanted to be engineer, they requested a marksman kit after dying once or thought that wrenching me for 5 seconds is enough.
Even if I get an engineer on TG, they usually leave/change squad in about 20 minutes because no one wants to just drive around on top of a tank getting killed and jumping around wrenching it for several hours on several maps.

[HughJass]

it was a taken out for a reason, a reason so simple that I am amazed people fight today over. Good topic tough.

anyway: no

[77SiCaRiO77]

i say remove the wrench completaly and add a recovering vehicle that repairs/rearm vehicles , just like the old .5 .