British carrier map

[Morgan]

Well, i'm shit with comp based drawing programs and my hand sketches aren't much better to be honest, just rough concepts. My mapping skills are basic, to say the least, so this would be a massive learning curve for me.

I can help out with ideas and such at the moment, and could probably start some basic work on bf2 editor but it's been a while since i used it.

Just some ideas i got floating around.

Vehicle load outs would be:
2xLynx AH-7 Attack helo's (8xTOW and 1xGPMG cabin mounted)
2xGazelles (LB's could be used as stand ins as they are simply recon helos working in teams of 2 with a lynx)
3/4xSea Kings mk4 (need some of these making, Merlin would be stand in)
3xScimitars on a delayed spawn, simulating the Queens Dragoons turning up to the party late...

I would want the MEC to have Miltia T-62 but i don't think that's possible so:
2xT-90 Delayed spawn
2xBTR
?xVodniks
?xCO trucks

Control Points ideas:
Ocean (Uncap)
2x Oil Installations (head quarters? Control tower? Command bunker? Somthing along those lines, they would have a bleed untill one was neutralised as the Brits need to stop the MEC having the chance to burn the oil, just like the real thing)
1x Road intersection (vital for bringing in supplies up the coast from Kuwait)
2x FOB/Command Bunkers/Regional HQ (Small villages dispersed around them, along with palm tree lines and a big bilboard with Saddam smiling on it...)

Nice asymetrical map, the Brits must rely upon the Lynx for AT support and the Sea Kings for supply boxes for firebases/bunkers. Could turn into a real good map.

[williejones]

having not served in the marines etr, im no expert. however the talk earlier about the brits lacking the apc isnt really an issue is it??? from what i have seen the brits tend to use inflatable boats to perform landings, or helicopters.

Shouldn’t the brits feel different to play then the US

[Morgan]

Correct Willie. Ocean has no capacity to launch buoyant APC's and I do think that Brits should play differently to the Yanks, hence my ideas about the map.

[Smegburt_funkledink]

Possible map storyline: Terrorist forces have started making use of Highway 80 in an attempt to supply Ali Al Salem Air Base for their cause. HMS Ocean has been deployed to counter a group of radicals who have obtained armoured vehicles and are starting to move soutwards towards Al Jahra. Etc...





"The Highway of Death refers to a road between Kuwait and Basra on which the retreating Iraqi army was attacked by aircraft during the Gulf War, on the night of February 26/27, 1991. Western news reports refer to the road as Highway 80, and it runs from Kuwait City to the border towns of Abdali (Kuwait) and Safwan (Iraq), and then on to Basra. The road was repaired during the late 1990s, and was used in the initial stages of the 2003 invasion of Iraq by US and British forces in order to invade Iraq."

[Viper5]

Instead of wasting time on a model that is almost identical to the Essex, why not use the time making a map for it?

Not sure what you mean by a "different feel" between NATO Factions. They all use a lot of similar tactics, etc.

[williejones]

the brits have a completely different style to the US, for example, sea insertion, the British will tend to go in light and fast using rigid radars and helicopters to gain a foot hold, where as the US will tend to use amphibious APCs to provide armour for the troops, the weapons they use will also change the way the army’s operate, for example the sa80s are designed to work and be used quite differently from a m16,

although squad movement may be similar eg fire and move tactics, the mind sets can differ

eg

the us troops are trained in fighting in an urban area, where as the brits are trained in "fish" fighting in someone’s home

[Viper5]

the brits have a completely different style to the US, for example, sea insertion, the British will tend to go in light and fast using rigid radars and helicopters to gain a foot hold, where as the US will tend to use amphibious APCs to provide armour for the troops, the weapons they use will also change the way the army’s operate, for example the sa80s are designed to work and be used quite differently from a m16,

although squad movement may be similar eg fire and move tactics, the mind sets can differ

eg

the us troops are trained in fighting in an urban area, where as the brits are trained in "fish" fighting in someone’s home

Not really...

US uses rigid raiding craft and helos as well, depending on mission.

The M16 and L85 are designed for the same task, mainly engaging massive formations of Soviet infantry.

FIBUA/FISH are just ways of saying that you are fighting in an urban environment.

[Scot]

The thing is, nowadays, mass carrier or whatever the hell these kinds of ships are, attacks arent used much. Its all in land against people, carriers offer to much base rape these carrier maps would be completely hypothetical, so why not give it to the PLA or the Brits...

[Skodz]

Yea,it'd be tight to have the Brit carriers in PR.

-Also,why isn't the carrier from BF2:SF used for U.S. as it's more realistic.You can access the engine room,mess hall and etc.

I agree to both, the idea of a British Carrier/amphibious assault map and to the idea of using BF:SF Carrier as its more realistic.

having not served in the marines etr, im no expert. however the talk earlier about the brits lacking the apc isnt really an issue is it??? from what i have seen the brits tend to use inflatable boats to perform landings, or helicopters.

Shouldn’t the brits feel different to play then the US

yup

[Skodz]

Dutch Royal Marines and UK Royal Marines train together as far as i know for the UK/NL Landing Force, we have 2 LPD's (Landing Platform Dock) atm and are going to build a JSS (Joint Support Ship) soon.







I have a model ready for the Landing Ship the Rotterdam Class Johan de Wit that needs to some touching up and of course UV mapping, skinning and coding.



And a finished model of a LCU (Landing Craft Utility)

These are really nice and interesting stuffs. Especially the LCU wich I believe could actually be implemented into amphibious assault map.

[Psyko]

Those are some cool pics. your model looks great, but shouldnt the front be slanted? (the part just below the Pilothouse and above the Aft Deck where the machine gun is)

And another question, does the ramp on the boat drop down to allow infantry to walk off, or do they end up unlicking from the boat into the water? It would be great if when they want to exit the vehicle they must walk from the deck out the offramp.

Unfortunately, i know that you cant load up any vehicles onto the LPD. but it may be possible to have vehicles spawn off it, if it were to be considered. you could have it hit the beach and a tank would spawn facing away from the stern of the LPD where two crewmen could grab their kits and be on their merry way.

[LtSoucy]

well you can code the boat to have them get out in side and have them walk out.

[Smegburt_funkledink]

Instead of wasting time on a model that is almost identical to the Essex, why not use the time making a map for it?

My time would be wasted on mapping as I've never tried and there's plenty of mappers out there. IMO it's best for the ship & a map to be worked on. I have ideas for maps but wouldn't know where to start.

Maybe the Essex has the same use and can perform in a similar fasion but we want HMS Ocean! If making this ship is a waste of time, why aren't the Brits using M1A1's & blackhawks etc... IMO, this has to be done.

[Viper5]

My time would be wasted on mapping as I've never tried and there's plenty of mappers out there. IMO it's best for the ship & a map to be worked on. I have ideas for maps but wouldn't know where to start.

Maybe the Essex has the same use and can perform in a similar fasion but we want HMS Ocean! If making this ship is a waste of time, why aren't the Brits using M1A1's & blackhawks etc... IMO, this has to be done.

TBH, there's a lack of mappers. Theirs a difference between a static like the USS Essex or HMS Ocean, which are essentially the same thing and a vehicle with very different characteristics. Making an Ocean is sort of like making a new, perhaps more realistic hangar. Sure, it might look cool but what does it add to gameplay? If you have modelling skills, then work on a vehicle that you'd like to see included such as the Sea King or something.

My two cents.

[Morgan]

@Viper: Launching an assault from Ocean rather than Esses does rely upon different tactics as they carry different vehilces etc. Also it's Smeg's time, Ocean I feel would get used and would be a nice, big, shiny, new addition to the mod. I dunno about the lack of mappers, there's quite a few nice maps being developed at the moment.

About the LCU: Make a new thread rather than sending this one off topic.

@Smeg: That map idea is a bit off from what I was thinking. Ocean was the main ship used in the assault for Al Faw so i'd planned on basing the map on a frontal assault on MEC forces, rather than something against Terrorists.

Urm that's all I have for now, anyone got any thoughts on the actuall map idea?

[Smegburt_funkledink]

A bit off? not at all my good friend, by terrorists I was referring to the MEC.

In briefings like Jabal Al-Burj, they are connected with terrorists. They may be more like a conventional army but they're still terrorists in my eyes.

I was thinking that it could work as counter-attack map.

MEC would start in the city, near Highway 80 and possibly in the mountains. They would initially get the vehicles they need to get to where they want to be and build necessary AA placements, ground defence etc...

The idea of the map for the British is to prevent the MEC from utilising the Air Base and push them from the city. After the 30-45 minutes are up (Id rather see 50+), if the MEC are still in control of the air base, they receive additional assets to initiate a counter-attack!

[Morgan]

Ah so you're thinking of a map in or around Kuwait... I get you now. Just had a butchers on Google Maps and I was thinking of basing it further north up the coast on the Al Faw Penisula. Base it roughly on the British assault during Operation Iraqi Freedom. Here's a paragraph from Wiki describing the Op. which pretty much sums up my ideas.
"The invasion was swift, with the collapse of the Iraq government and the military of Iraq in about three weeks. The oil infrastructure of Iraq was rapidly secured with limited damage in that time. Securing the oil infrastructure was considered of great importance to funding the rebuilding of Iraq after the invasion ended. In the Persian Gulf War, while retreating from Kuwait, the Iraqi army had set many oil wells on fire, in an attempt to disguise troop movements and to distract Coalition forces. Prior to the 2003 invasion, Iraqi forces had mined some 400 oil wells around Basra and the Al-Faw peninsula with explosives. Coalition troops launched an air and amphibious assault on the Al-Faw peninsula during the closing hours of March 20 to secure the oil fields there; the amphibious assault was supported by warships of the Royal Navy, Polish Navy, and Royal Australian Navy. The United States Marine Corps' 15th Marine Expeditionary Unit, attached to 3 Commando Brigade and the Polish Special Forces unit GROM attacked the port of Umm Qasr.there they encountered heavy resistance by Iraqi troops. The British Army's 16 Air Assault Brigade also secured the oilfields in southern Iraq in places like Rumaila while the Polish commandos captured offshore oil platforms near the port, preventing their destruction. Despite the rapid advance of the invasion forces, some 44 oil wells were destroyed and set ablaze by Iraqi explosives or by incidental fire. However, the wells were quickly capped and the fires put out, preventing the ecological damage and loss of oil production capacity that had occurred at the end of the Persian Gulf War."

Hmmm really need to get to work on a concept sketch...