AT Class under powered!

Post by **BrokenArrow** » 2006-04-05 01:06

I may be wrong but I think it is unguided?

Cerberus · Post by **Cerberus** » 2006-04-05 01:08

Oh, I'm thinking "SRAW"

Anyway, is there a way for the SRAW rocket to travel about the target, then attack it from above like IRL?

six7 · Post by **six7** » 2006-04-05 01:18

the top armor of a tank needs to be a 1 hit kill with a SRAW. i tried attacking there with it and it didnt do anyy more damage than hitting the front, which is way off. also, the underbelly of a tank should be a 1 hit kill, thats why mines are so effective.

Post by **Katarn** » 2006-04-05 01:44

Already fixed for .3

six7 · Post by **six7** » 2006-04-05 02:05

'[R-PUB wrote:BrokenArrow']I may be wrong but I think it is unguided?

nope SRAW is guided

lonelyjew · Post by **lonelyjew** » 2006-04-05 02:08

'[R-PUB wrote:BrokenArrow']I may be wrong but I think it is unguided?

I found this:

During aiming, the Predator's inertial reference autopilot detects the angular motion of the target, and during flight the autopilot directs the missile to a position above the predicted target location. The SRAW is armed with a downward-firing top-attack warhead

I also found this:

The MPIM/ SRAW munition consists of a disposable launcher/ carry case equipped with a 2.5X telescopic sight compatible with current and future night vision devices. The shoulder-launched missile consists of a two- stage, soft- launch propulsion system with inertial guidance and explosively- formed penetrator with follow- through grenade warhead. The missile is capable of firing quickly from its carrying configuration and is safely fired from enclosures. The 35-inch, 20-pound disposable weapon has a range out to 500 meters. Internal rate sensors allow Soldiers to aim directly at a moving target and a soft launch capability allows Soldiers to fire from enclosures. The warhead is extremely lethal due to the combination of an explosively formed penetrator with a follow through fragmentation grenade.

The part that really intrigued me though was the last sentence. If there is a frag grenade inside the warhead, I'm assuming that the SRAW was also meant to be an effective anti-personal weapons.

Also, how many times does this have to be brought up before you guys add a sticky?

six7 · Post by **six7** » 2006-04-05 03:04

frag grenade does not make it anti infantry. AP peirces the tanks armor, and the fragmentations kill the crew. easy as that. there would probly be no exploding tanks involved. i hate how bf2s tanks blow up, no matter how they are damaged.

edit~in theory , it could work as anti infantry, but it would be far too costly to use that way unless in imediate danger. i did, however , see a vid of one used against a house filled with insurgents. didn't blow up the house, the warhead just punctured the wall and basicly fragged the entire inside. pretty cool weapon.

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2006-04-05 03:29

Pence wrote:K-bar?

And the riflemen have bayonet's.

The K-bar, or Ka-bar, is a fighting knife that has been in use with the Marines since World War II.

Some Marines carry it instead of (if they aren't issued a rifle) or in addition to the bayonet made for use with the M16, like the M9, which strongly resembles the one in-game.

The USMC recently acquired a new, proprietary bayonet.

Post by **GeZe** » 2006-04-05 03:45

so is all that going to be added in game?

Post by **RikiRude** » 2006-04-05 06:02

'[R-DEV wrote:Katarn']Already fixed for .3

you guys always sneak in your .3 stuff when we least expect it

yeah, about hte 1 hit kill from the top, EA really messed that up. I remember being on a roof for the first time so i could "get the upper hand" on a tank, shot right into the top of the turret and did minimal amount of damage, and i just scratched my head thinking "huh?"

lonelyjew · Post by **lonelyjew** » 2006-04-05 14:01

frag grenade does not make it anti infantry. AP peirces the tanks armor, and the fragmentations kill the crew.

I thought the molten copper, or whatever the warhead of the rocket is made of, kills the crew

Evil_Eye · Post by **Evil_Eye** » 2006-04-05 18:59

Giving them a PDW (MP5 PDW??) instead of a pistol would stop ppl using the SRAW against infantry

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Post by **Wraith** » 2006-04-05 19:38

I wouldn't mind seeing them with a pdw with only one clip of ammo. After all, isn't it a PERSONAL DEFENSE WEOPON?

lonelyjew · Post by **lonelyjew** » 2006-04-05 20:13

I'd say one spare mag is at least is good, two preferably. Sure, it's for defense, but it's much better being safe then sorry.

Does anyone know if our millitaries are giving PDW's to dedicated AT guys?

Post by **Wraith** » 2006-04-05 20:30

Side Arm is all that I know of.

Cerberus · Post by **Cerberus** » 2006-04-05 20:34

I think dedicated AT only get a sidearm, like Wraith said

Grey_Ghost · Post by **Grey_Ghost** » 2006-04-05 21:20

EMD Phase I (Risk Reduction) was completed in March 1998, and was followed by Phase II (System Evaluation). In January 2002, Lockheed Martin was awarded the first LRIP (Low-Rate Initial Production) contract for Predator, followed by a second one in January 2003. During EMD, a total of about 230 Predator missiles were built, and the two LRIP contracts cover the production of 730 rounds. SRAW was to be a low-cost complement to the larger and more sophisticated FGM-148 Javelin anti-armour missile, but further procurement after LRIP has been cancelled in 2003. In 2004, Lockheed Martin received a contract to refit all remaining Predators to SRAW-MPV (Multi-Purpose Variant) configuration with a new multi-purpose blast-fragmentation warhead. This will convert the missile from an anti-armour to a direct-fire urban assault weapon, which better fulfills the needs of the USMC.

So, is the SRAW still in service as an AT weapon? Just how good is it at this role? Are we using the SRAW in game, or is it's model just a place holder for something larger?

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2006-04-06 03:15

Grey_Ghost wrote:So, is the SRAW still in service as an AT weapon? Just how good is it at this role? Are we using the SRAW in game, or is it's model just a place holder for something larger?

Right now it's a place-holder since it's not the weapon of a dedicated anti-armor specialist, but a single-shot, disposable weapon intended for issue to a few riflemen in each squad.

Cerberus · Post by **Cerberus** » 2006-04-06 03:19

Just to clear things up...

SMAW

SRAW

Skullening.Chris · Post by **Skullening.Chris** » 2006-04-06 04:20

This is confusing. What I'm reading about the "SRAW" says that its a fire-and-forget that's for pegging tanks top-down and then there's also one for urban combat called the "SRAW-MPV" that's also fire-and-forget, but in BF2 it's just called "SRAW" and is guided on a wire like a TOW...???