New Jeep Ideas (Seperate Thread)

[Top_Cat_AxJnAt]

yes, i am agreement of jsut about eveyr thing, it is jsut that i think that you could easily, and i mean no probs atall get 1 extra man in a heavy jeep.
It would be really silly not to have that man, no decent reason.
But when you do this the difference between the vehicles close and they become to similar - UTERLY POINTLESS

BUT THIS CAN BE SOLVEd: by 2 methods
1) - light jeep carries 5 in main compartement, same as heavy jeep BUT alos carries an extra 2/3/4 men on the back, similar to the up adnd comign pr 0.3.
this way their is a bigger differense. HOwever this requires substancial work - to get people to sit in the seat in the main comp. - THIS IDEA IS NTO GOOD BUt Still worth mentioning

2) THIS IS FAR BETTER but has a small glitch. We use the present jeep untill PR 1.1 when it is gradualy faced out or imdeiately with the introdction of a TRUCK and the NEW slightly better armoured Humvee.
However this means removing your much loved light Hunvee But your do have a far better transport vehicle and i am sure many will soon grow TO LOVE the better protection the new humvee provides, which may i add woudl be completely protected from small arms fire, beautifull on infantry map with tight street and alleyways!

THE SIMPLE REASON WHY WE NEED AN ARMOURED HUMVEE is becasue we need a vehicle that is fast, can transport troop quickly and provide some VERY VERY BASIC but Vital protection to its occupents. AT present their is nothing that fulfils this properly but at the same time, it is not hard to fulfill. As an SL needing help, behind enemy lines, i wnat to knwo that it is possible for another squad to reach my location quickly and be ready to fight, not recovering form wounds cuased by a little trip.

[Malik]

The models I mentioned are heavily based on current ones, so they have a lot to work with and it's a lot easier to model something if you already have an almost identical model.

And a truck doesn't really fit the bill of 'heavy jeep', but I don't see why larger transport vehicles couldn't be added in the future.

[Malik]

THE SIMPLE REASON WHY WE NEED AN ARMOURED HUMVEE is becasue we need a vehicle that is fast, can transport troop quickly and provide some VERY VERY BASIC but Vital protection to its occupents

Well, what we really need is a definitive way to win every game, so why won't we add nukes to all the vehicles? Simply because this is a game, and adding a super vehicle that meets every need defeats the objective. Everything in the game is designed to only be one piece of the circle, so when you put them all together you get that power everyone wants. Adding a vehicle meeting all the needs of a vehicle is pointless, it means everyone's going to use and it doesn't matter how small each of those factors is, it's still got them. My system has the fast transport with lots of passengers and low power, and the slow, powerful transport with less passengers. Yes, in the real world there are armoured vehicles that can carry tons of vehicles, destroy anything that's thrown at it and go fast, but do we really want to add those into BF2? Think about it before suggesting these sorts of things.

[Top_Cat_AxJnAt]

i prefer my second idea: plain and simple - keep with current Humvee and vodnick untill PR 1.1. or 1.2 and then put in re-modeled verisons of both and a truck. What would be added, i hope would be very very similar to my orginal conclusion.
However all those present jeeps liker (lovers) would remian happy for a long time to come. We are looking at over 6 months until there is even a chance of PR 1.1, i might even be a year.

BUT THOSE WHO KNOW WHAT THEY LOVE, can wait with the imensly strong and passionate hope that what they love will come some day!

P.S i having been promoting the advantages of a armoured Humvee, HERE comes the DISADVANTAGES

- it could still be destroyed by a single RPG hit (those in direct line of hit would die, but those furthest away would have jsut enough time to get out)
- it could only carry 5 people
- grenades could be thrown through the top hatch
- after a certain numebr of hits, glass would no longer provide protection
- i could be destroyed by around 4-6 grenades
- the gunner would be as exposed as before

AND iF all come to the worst, we can remove the glass in the side windows BUT enable soldiers to fire out and mabey if possible duck!

[Malik]

Yes, and then in 1.3 we can add superweapons for everyone who loves those.

THOSE WHO KNOW WHAT THEY LOVE, can wait with the imensly strong and passionate hope that what they love will come some day!

[Top_Cat_AxJnAt]

In all seriousness are you apposed to a jeep that provide almost complete protection from 7.62 mm rounds and below BUT after sustain fire, the occupents can be killed easily AND with a 50 cal both the occupents adn vehicle can be destroyed quickly AND a single RPG can alos destroy it and possible kill half it occupnets??????????

It is far form beign a superweapn.

[Malik]

Yes, because there's no need to replace the existing jeeps with a bullet proof jeep that can carry irregular amounts of troops and one that's going to be too hard to make because of its odd resistance specifications. The whole idea of having a truck too is an odd one, I know that vehicles like that aren't used on the battlefield, they're used to get troops to the Battlefield and I can't think of any maps where it'd be practical to use such a vehicle.

Keep it simple, all we need is a fast jeep that can carry lots of people for standard transportation and a more special purpose jeep for mini-assaults on enemy troops. The light vehicle is vulnerable, the heavy vehicle can hold its own, but neither are in a state to deal with enemy armour, unless there's a rocket variety added in which case it'll be a hit and run vehicle because if the tank fires first it wins.

I guess we need more opinions on this, other than ours.

[Top_Cat_AxJnAt]

lol "I guess we need more opinions on this, other than ours"

Do you mind but i am goign to post a link of this topic in the shout box quite often when lots of people are around. I will request that they read the last 3 pageds and come to tehir own opinon, based on all the avaliable facts?
LEts AVOID ANY other REPETATIVE posts, i will only post if it is very important, OK.

P.S CAN WE AVOID THE POLL, IT DOES NTO PROVIDE THE REQUIRE IN DETAIL OPINIONS NEEDED!

[six7]

1 type of jeep for now, no need to get multiple models when devs could be adding new vehicles and such. Just give the passengers a little more protection than they currently have.

[Top_Cat_AxJnAt]

I hate saying this but the easyest idea is to keep the prensent version until PR 1.1 or 1,2 and then make the required changes! OK I AM NEVER SAYING THAT AGAIN, too much repatition.
TO ANY PEEPS POSTING, pleaes have a quick read of the last 3 pages, because there are some veery good arguments adn pointes, and i dont want to see another 5 pages of the smae ones. NEw posts would be nice if they should that the writer was aware of all the possible solutions that have been mentioned already, and are fully aware of any repeated points they make.

[[T]Terranova7]

Why do you assume the jeeps would become overpowered Malik? The main pros of what I would like to see are as follows.

- All passengers are concealed within the vehicle, except the gunner.
- Mounts a .50 caliber weapon, which the gunner will mainly rely on
- Can withstand smaller caliber rounds, .50 caliber penetrates most of the armor

Primarily with urban maps this is needed. Players aren't going to be able to fire outside their windows. To retaliate they will need to dismount from the vehicle, exposing themselves. I think one key issue I can think of at the moment is the fact that players may simply dive up on a flag and simply sit there. The only means another team would be able to take it out is via 12.7mm or an explosive device.

Think about it though, armor and aircraft would still hold a dominant advantage over the jeeps. A Humvee ain't going to survive a HEAT round from a T-90 tank. A well placed RPG-7, AT-4 should take out a good portion of the crew inside. Where as a missile launcher such as the Eryx should virtually blow the entire thing up.

On some maps we could replace the 12.7mm mounted weapon with a 7.62mm machine gun, or we could remove the gunner's shield. This could very well tone down on the effectivness of the jeeps if your worried about power. The jeeps should not be classified between "Light" and "Heavy" versions. Otherwise we might as well have a "light" with little armor, faster and a bit more mobile. No point in it.

If we want a troop transport oriented version of the Humvee, simply make one that fits the descreption. There are virtually dozens of configurations for the Humvee, and I'm sure ther other jeeps have their variants as well. Although I still would like to some supply trucks in an "extraction mode". Something similar to below.

[six7]

yea it oculd be kinda like extraction mode... more of a convoy mode. Get the convoy out alive, the more that makes it out, the more points for that team. Trucks would be really neat to see in the future but should not take priority to other more important additions.

[Top_Cat_AxJnAt]

AN LINKED idea: To capture a flag, you have to be ouside a vehicle. This completely solve and arguments about "vehicles just driving up and parking themsevles". I must thank ETQW for this idea, which they are alos implamenting.
It might also be a good idea to mount a 50cal/ 7.62 machine (no shield) on a truck. This would mean that it could atleast get slightly close or in enemy lines and have a small chance of defending it self man being completely destroyed by one emeny wiht an RPG.