Why do you think civies are killed?

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Why do you think civies are killed in game?

Civies look too much like insurgents/ need a distinctive look
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Draw distance doesnt allow weapons to be seen.
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Penalties arent severe enogh to curb shooting civies
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People do not hold fire long enough to correctly ID targets by their actions and game-play
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I think it is for multiple/different reasons for which I will post...
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There are civies in the game?
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bosco_
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Re: Why do you think civies are killed?

Post by bosco_ »

I'm looking forward to reading the player's confusion as to why their score went to 0 after deliberately killing civies. Seriously, players who shoot civies for fun piss me off royally.
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Gu^n3r
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Re: Why do you think civies are killed?

Post by Gu^n3r »

i just want to see lesser penelties to civilians, the spawn timer is a real turn off, especially with tards that dont check targets.

i can accept getting 60 seconds, but 120, nope sorry, i cant do much in 2 minutes, cant even watch other players so why.

the coalition has enough countermeasures to them so dont see why it would be much of a problem to do so, its not like the whole team will go civilian, that be just stupid, people would just run them all over all knife em all, make it too easy for intel points.
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gclark03
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Re: Why do you think civies are killed?

Post by gclark03 »

Civies are killed because they need killin'.


Really, it's because the focus of the Insurgency gameplay has shifted from ambushes and Civilian distractions to flat-out combat against the Coalition. As there are less incentives to be a collaborator, less people choose the kit, and less Coalition players choose to ID their targets because there's a far lower chance of shooting enough civilians to be auto-executed.
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Re: Why do you think civies are killed?

Post by Scot »

I shot a civvie the other the day, and accidentally, cos there was some guy leaning over the edge of a building and there was molotov's everywhere!!
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BlackwaterEddie
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Re: Why do you think civies are killed?

Post by BlackwaterEddie »

Because spotting the enemy and killing them as fast as you can is the only way to stop yourself from being completely raped by the spot=prone=you're dead flow of the game.
WallyJas
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Re: Why do you think civies are killed?

Post by WallyJas »

gclark03 wrote:They're killed because they're moving targets for foolish players with impatient trigger fingers.
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chuckMFd
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Re: Why do you think civies are killed?

Post by chuckMFd »

Bring back the green shirts!!! Thats part of the problem civies look the same. They even have a batman utility belt!
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Cimeto
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Re: Why do you think civies are killed?

Post by Cimeto »

In my experience, i´ve killed maybe two or three civilians, but in those situations, the civilians were moving with the insurgents like a group, and at long distance, the BF2 engine, doesn´t make a good drawing of objects and details.
The worst moment was when me as a civilian and i get shot at blank shot distance, when the 'invader' guy could saw me perfectly that my only weapon is a rock and a celular phone.
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Re: Why do you think civies are killed?

Post by Rudd »

you know the thing that makes US soldiers spawn as white sometimes and black other times (btw, brit forces still need this), can't that be used to make civilians spawn with one of a selection of coloured shirts?
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Re: Why do you think civies are killed?

Post by Spec »

Dr2B Rudd wrote:you know the thing that makes US soldiers spawn as white sometimes and black other times (btw, brit forces still need this), can't that be used to make civilians spawn with one of a selection of coloured shirts?
The skin is bound to the kit. Riflemen are black, Engineers and Medics white. Dunno about Officers right now, white i think.

(Unless I'm completely mistaken this all is).

A problem (since 0.8 ) with the brits is that you can see the color of their fingers in 1st person.
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Re: Why do you think civies are killed?

Post by Rudd »

Spec_Operator wrote: A problem (since 0.8 ) with the brits is that you can see the color of their fingers in 1st person.
picasso fans would approve no?
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SocketMan
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Re: Why do you think civies are killed?

Post by SocketMan »

Check when the thread got started - back in 0.6 or 0.65 ? (Nike+green shirts) :-P
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Scot
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Re: Why do you think civies are killed?

Post by Scot »

Me + Warrior + Random bunch of insurgents + civvies = when i died 4 tickets before end of game, 300 second spawn.
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Cobhris
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Re: Why do you think civies are killed?

Post by Cobhris »

Spec_Operator wrote:The skin is bound to the kit. Riflemen are black, Engineers and Medics white. Dunno about Officers right now, white i think.

(Unless I'm completely mistaken this all is).

A problem (since 0.8 ) with the brits is that you can see the color of their fingers in 1st person.
No, there are white and black versions of the rifle kits.
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Re: Why do you think civies are killed?

Post by Conman51 »

because they sneak up on me and throw rocks at me
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Re: Why do you think civies are killed?

Post by crazy11 »

Scot wrote:Me + Warrior + Random bunch of insurgents + civvies = when i died 4 tickets before end of game, 300 second spawn.
You not covering me = run and gun down 2 civies.

To be honest its easy enough to get intel and killing a civie doesnt really matter. Plus if someones going to throw rocks at me Im going to shoot him.
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ConSs
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Re: Why do you think civies are killed?

Post by ConSs »

I would LOVE to have more severe punisment to whoever kills a civie. Something that really makes the conventional army soldiers think and look twice before they do anything. Now it's just shoot-on-sight even if they're 100% sure that it's a civilian, because they dont bother using the restrainer. I think the attitude towards civies is something like "Hey, look, there goes a dumb civilian with his rocks, lets give him a 150sec spawn, it's not gonna hurt us much hehehehe". That kind of attitude ruins the fun and makes the civie a worthless kit. Plus no one wants to play as a civie because of the unbeliveably long spawntimes and the fact that they will most likely be shot on sight.

IMO, only thing that makes civies worth something now is their grappling hook which is very useful in maps like Ramiel. Not for themselves though, they will still be shot immediately and have nothing to defend themselves with. But the grappling hook is valuable to the ppl with gunz.
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Re: Why do you think civies are killed?

Post by Spec »

Cobhris wrote:No, there are white and black versions of the rifle kits.
Ah well, then one of the riflemen is black and the other white, but it's not random i think. I'm pretty sure thats hardcoded. Would be cool if it wasnt hardcoded though, and then I'd agree with giving the civies varying appearances.
Rangu
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Re: Why do you think civies are killed?

Post by Rangu »

Yeah not random, the US rifleman with optics is black, the others are white.
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PlaynCool
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Re: Why do you think civies are killed?

Post by PlaynCool »

Maybe if you kill 2 civies the game kills you simulating you being arrested by the martial court.And yes give back the old respawn timer for the civie.I cant really understand whi do they get such a sevire punishmend for getting killed by the US.
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