Knife 1 hit kill

[nick20404]

You guys are forgetting one important issue when talking about knife use on the modern battlefield. Where a bayonnet fixed to a rifle is used offenively, a knife carried by a soldier is more than likely nothing more than just a tool. I.E its used to clear vegetation, cut cord, opening cans or crates ect...

The knife as a combat weapon has seen very limited use since WWII. So for a reality mod, having people legging it across streets and diving from buildings to get those glorious knife kills its absolutely rediculous.

I suggest a rethink of the knife, maybe intergrate it with the building system somehow, I don't know, it's just a last quick thought. Any ideas?

Ya it would be nice if you could use the knife realistically for cutting barbed wire removing grenade traps etc.

So far the only thing you can do with the knife besides kill is destroy rally points and fire bases.

[Psyrus]

Personally... I like the knife for the 'fun' aspect that it retains in the game. Plus it's one of the few ways to silently 'off' someone. I realize the OP is simply saying change it to be critically wounded rather than kill (although I don't like the 5 stab suggestion) which I sort of agree with, but TBH % of kills with a knife in-game is probably what.. like between 1-5% [less]?

I'd much rather they take out the sniper before worrying about removing the knife kills

[fry_fubar]

Ya it would be nice if you could use the knife realistically for cutting barbed wire removing grenade traps etc.

So far the only thing you can do with the knife besides kill is destroy rally points and fire bases.

Great idea for the grenade traps, but cutting barbed wire? I don't think even a nice new combat knife could do that with any ease, you'd need wire cutter, that stuff is majorly strong. Anyway, yes perhaps someone using a knife to disarm booby-traps is plausable. Although I don't actually know the techinque of disarming a grenade trap, never mind atempting to do it with a knife. I asume you just cut the trip wire.

Personally... I like the knife for the 'fun' aspect that it retains in the game. Plus it's one of the few ways to silently 'off' someone. I realize the OP is simply saying change it to be critically wounded rather than kill (although I don't like the 5 stab suggestion) which I sort of agree with, but TBH % of kills with a knife in-game is probably what.. like between 1-5% [less]?

I'd much rather they take out the sniper before worrying about removing the knife kills

I agknowledge that there needs to be "fun" in the game, but I certainly don't have fun when a sneaky soldier, creeps behind and takes me out by slicing my toes. Although knife kills only acount for a very low percentage of kills, I more than often find them more frustrating than anything else. And when I do manage to get a knife kill, Im usually left rather disapointed. Sorry, but the knife is completely bogus in a reality mod in my opinion.

[ReadMenace]

Great idea for the grenade traps, but cutting barbed wire? I don't think even a nice new combat knife could do that with any ease, you'd need wire cutter, that stuff is majorly strong.

Something like that then?

-REad

[Vege]

My personal opinion is that it's fun and should stay.
Knifing 2 times when first would get them to critical state could be OK too i guess.

[fry_fubar]

Something like that then?

-REad

Yeah that looks about right

[nick20404]

Yeah that looks about right

Ya most military issue bayonets/knives have that hole specifically for using it as wire cutters and those things are very strong metal not the same as regular knives. Depending on whos knife it is.

YouTube - USA M9 vs. Russian AK Bayonet Destruction Test Part 10

[00SoldierofFortune00]

Can someone go stab some of the people saying that you can survive being stabbed over large parts of your body? The retardedness was funny for about 5 seconds.

Brain, throat, gut, heart & anywhere along the top half of the spinal column will probably stop you doing just about anything ever again. Now you are saying that someone with a severed spine can quite easily run into a building full of hostile troops armed with rifles and put up a fight are you?

Most other places on the body will leave you crying on the floor in agony, unable to do just about anything until several days/weeks later. Assuming you dont bleed to death from the injury before you can get proper medical attention. A field dressing does not stop internal bleeding, remember, no matter how much you want it to.

There is a good reason swords and other assorted sharp obbjects remained (and continue to remain) very effective weapons. Stab wounds are VERY serious injuries. Especially if the person doing the stabbing is trained to kill.

^^^This


If you get stabbed in the back of the neck which is pretty much what most of the knife kills are ingame, you are gonna be down quickly if it were RL. These aren't some little pocket knifes, they are heavy duty Ka-Bars and combat knifes built sturdy and heavy and designed for killing.

It doesn't matter if your throat got slit or your you stabbed in the neck region, you would be incapacitated and ingame, the quicker thing to do is die, so it works out IMO.


And to the poster who says knives haven't seen wide spread use in combat for a while now, that is basically true for PR. Knife kills are very rare in PR just like they are in real life. Vanilla is a different story though.
Even if you do get close in PR, the lag in the game usually causes you to stab them twice.

[LudacrisKill]

I think this mod is long overdue to get rid of the knife or to make it not 1 hit kill, its completely unrealistic, there is no where on the human body were you can be stabbed and instantly die. Even if someone stabbed you in the heart or slit your throat you would still be alive for a few minutes at least before bleeding out.

I suggest leaving the zipties as one hit kill but make the knife at least 3 or 5 hits before a kill.

Its for gameplay reason. (no need to explain, its obvious)

[Redamare]

BR2 engine for PR is not completley perfect ........ it has it problems .. but It could be usefull to make the knife criticaly wound some one Go black and white and still some wat of a chance of turning around and shooting the person who kinfed them before bleeding out

[Spec]

That's possible in BF2 too by simply having the knife cause 95% of damage instead of the current 9000+% (dunno how much health points or w/e you have in BF2).

Though I'd not even say this is the point. If you were sneaking up to someone, you deserve the kill - but in this case you should usually be able to stab two or three times without trouble anyway (maybe increase stab animation speed or something, not sure what "rate of stabs" you can have right now), or aim for the head.

[Stryker Machine]

The Stab should have a more realistic feel about it, such as the sound of the knife cutiing through the flesh, and so on.

[Solid Knight]

The Stab should have a more realistic feel about it, such as the sound of the knife cutiing through the flesh, and so on.

And having the guy who gets stabbed yell "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

In all honesty, I doubt you'd hear a knife cutting flesh. It's one of those noises that doesn't stand out much less on an active battlefield.

[DesmoLocke]

BR2 engine for PR is not completley perfect ........ it has it problems .. but It could be usefull to make the knife criticaly wound some one Go black and white and still some wat of a chance of turning around and shooting the person who kinfed them before bleeding out

No no no. If a person is close enough to knife you than they would surely get behind you and slit your throat thus killing you. It is designed to simulate that. I thought it was obvious.

[503]

BR2 engine for PR is not completley perfect ........ it has it problems .. but It could be usefull to make the knife criticaly wound some one Go black and white and still some wat of a chance of turning around and shooting the person who kinfed them before bleeding out

Who would use the knife then. Just shoot them to death instead


I always thought that the knife cutting through human flesh simulates someone going behind someone and slitting their throat.

[CodeRedFox]

Really guys, if you get knifed you deserve to lose you life. Because if its made to only wound then just remove it all together. Same thing with the zip ties, you cant zip ties an opponent that fast.