Engineer + MP5

Pence · Post by **Pence** » 2006-05-20 15:03

'[R-PUB wrote:Fullforce']Its more the principal. Just because there are no doors doesn't mean you can't carry one, and shoot people with it...

I was being anoying.

Anyway the enemys are laughing at the engineer, the MP5 would do more damage if you fed it to him.

Noetheinner · Post by **Noetheinner** » 2006-05-20 15:21

As much as I hate COD2 multiplayer, but it did the SMG well. If a rifleman and SMG came around a corner from each other at close-med range, the SMG guy had it. plain and simple. Even though the caliber was smaller, it was MADE for the close range stuff.

I wonder if the MP5 is like that in BF2? I never played with it, cept for a few times and was disgusted with it. But then again, I loved the shotty and the LMG's in BF2. Mabye the SMG is a ******* child of the close/med range that noone likes. Meh. This was a horrible rant.

driftist · Post by **driftist** » 2006-05-20 15:31

Okay, okay. I shall refer to the terms as Shotgun, SMG and carbine. I am not so sure about the weapons of the PLA and MEC, and if they can add underslung shotguns.

Overkill IMHO.

Demio · Post by **Demio** » 2006-05-20 15:40

Umm, I thought I read somewhere in this forums that no actual army in the world even used shotguns. So if this mod is about realism, they shouldn't even exist there...

Dandy · Post by **Dandy** » 2006-05-20 15:59

Then you should read it again, cause many armies, are using Shotguns, the USMC uses Benelli M4,

Top_Cat_AxJnAt · Post by **Top_Cat_AxJnAt** » 2006-05-20 16:00

No, the US marines do. Wikipedia says so and some special forces do.

driftist · Post by **driftist** » 2006-05-20 17:04

Yeah, they do. Even MPs carry them (methinx). Simply, its used by armed forces and soldiers as a CQB weapon.

And even if they didn't use it, it should be a Formidable weap.

Which is better? A semi-auto shotgun or a pump action? Or the horribly inaccurate dao12?

PvtJackson · Post by **PvtJackson** » 2006-05-20 18:03

Of course shotguns are used in the military. Even the Coast Guard uses them.

SilvuR · Post by **SilvuR** » 2006-05-21 02:32

I say we give them what they use in reality, (Benelli M4) never heard of USMC Combat Engineers using MP5s anyway. Or we could possibly use the Submachines on the more open long range maps like Oasis or El Alamein and use Shotguns on smaller more close quarters maps like Karkand and Muttrah City, sort of how the USMC Sniper operates currently.

six7 · Post by **six7** » 2006-05-21 02:51

Give him a saw, an SPR, or a m4/203
2 clays
2 AT mines
Wrench
2x Smokes
2x m67s
ammo bags
med pack
defibs
SIMRAD
4x SLAMs
body armour
and a kabar

While you're at it, give the assault a kabar, ghile suite, and 4x SLAMs and see what happens

trogdor1289 · Post by **trogdor1289** » 2006-05-21 03:07

Yeah give the engineer everything x2 and we will take it from there.

driftist · Post by **driftist** » 2006-05-21 12:07

Oh right.

I'd say increase the Engineer's payload, and vary his weapons on each map. Perhaps SMG for street duels/maps, Rifle for long, open maps and shotgun for the smaller versions of a map.

But if it were up to the fun factor, i'd just leave it as an SMG. Good mix of power, speed and accuracy.

Top_Cat_AxJnAt · Post by **Top_Cat_AxJnAt** » 2006-05-21 12:40

SMG are really not used in reality by front line soldiers. THe questions are now:

- i am wrong or right about the orginal statement
- is it acceptable to bend reality for gameplay sake in this sake
- what is wrong is a unscoped M4 for him
- what is wrong with a choise between an unscoped M4 and a shotgun
- (another one of your own choises that you then answer or ask)
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