TransHelo suicide with enemy Tank is allowed in most SERVER?????

Jolly · Post by **Jolly** » 2011-09-02 13:26

I had a fight with some players today for they scarificed one Mi17 and destroyed IDF's tank in map Beruit.

Now one question come to my mind,Is this really allowed in Most of server????
Someone plz answer me......I am confused.

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Smiddey723 · Post by **Smiddey723** » 2011-09-02 13:36

no, your obviously playing in the wrong servers if this is allowed

Vista · Post by **Vista** » 2011-09-02 13:40

My moral is this: If you chopper is going down, There is NO way you will be able to RTB it, so just do a little allah ackbar. russia style...

Jolly · Post by **Jolly** » 2011-09-02 13:40

Smiddey723 wrote:no, your obviously playing in the wrong servers if this is allowed

Actually that's the server of ours,I am an admin.So i should really consider add this in server rule and bannish those joker for permant

gazzthompson · Post by **gazzthompson** » 2011-09-02 14:04

vistamaster01 wrote:My moral is this: If you chopper is going down, There is NO way you will be able to RTB it, so just do a little allah ackbar. russia style...

If your going down, you have no control to direct yourself to the tank. If you have control your not going down yet and should try RTB.

Jolly , most servers do not allow suicide tactics.

Nixy23 · Post by **Nixy23** » 2011-09-02 14:12

gazzthompson wrote:If your going down, you have no control to direct yourself to the tank. If you have control your not going down yet and should try RTB.

Jolly , most servers do not allow suicide tactics.

Partially true. If you have been severely damaged (black smoke, for example) and your hull is 'bleeding' (slowly losing more health, up to the point the chopper starts to burn) you will still have full control over your chopper. If you are far away from your main base and guestimate you cannot RTB within the period of the chopper catching fire and exploding in mid-air.. why not?

I do not think it is a fair tactic, but it is better than doing nothing. However, using an undamaged chopper as a guided projectile, no way that's going to be tolerated.

gazzthompson · Post by **gazzthompson** » 2011-09-02 14:17

Nixy23 wrote:Partially true. If you have been severely damaged (black smoke, for example) and your hull is 'bleeding' (slowly losing more health, up to the point the chopper starts to burn) you will still have full control over your chopper. If you are far away from your main base and guestimate you cannot RTB within the period of the chopper catching fire and exploding in mid-air.. why not?

I would slow down, lose altitude and land/crash land.

Lugi · Post by **Lugi** » 2011-09-02 14:18

Nixy23 wrote:I do not think it is a fair tactic, but it is better than doing nothing. However, using an undamaged chopper as a guided projectile, no way that's going to be tolerated.

Why not when it can be quite effective tactic?

Nixy23 · Post by **Nixy23** » 2011-09-02 14:32

Lugi wrote:Why not when it can be quite effective tactic?

It falls under the 'wasting' asset rules of most servers, since the asset in question (transport helicopter) is not used in it's designed role. While killing an enemy tank might be beneficial, losing the primary means of transport for your infantry in a large map is/can be a severe setback.

ChopperRead · Post by **ChopperRead** » 2011-09-02 14:36

Lugi wrote:Why not when it can be quite effective tactic?

and that is why you fail.

ytman · Post by **ytman** » 2011-09-02 14:36

Lugi wrote:Why not when it can be quite effective tactic?

Because a helicopter is not designed to do this in real life and no Army would clear the use of a helicopter like so (without some ridiculously contrived circumstance). Its like the incendiary grenade of old.

The developers didn't want it to be useful against tanks but due to a bug it was crazy deadly even when dropped two feet away. TG considered it against the intent and spirit of the game and justified it with the developer's feedback.

Furthermore, the BF2 version of collisions is real buggy as well and hardly portrays a realistic example (*case in point a supply truck kills a tank by collision but comes away with only heavy damage).

KiloJules · Post by **KiloJules** » 2011-09-02 15:55

damn it - where is my post I left about an hour ago in here? Must have done sth. stupid...

Anyway: Even though it might be a "useful tactic" in game it is and stays highly unrealistic!
IRL every pilot would try to land/crash land and safe his life and not try to get some revemge in a stupid suicide attempt with it!!!

My post earlier was way more detailed but now I don't want anymore

Intentional roadkilling/crashing/glitching/phosing etc. sucks big time!

I would say make it a rule on any server...that has rules

Post by **Rudd** » 2011-09-02 16:47

its a stupid tactic which usually screws your team as they rely on the helo's supply crates and transportation

any reputable server bans such an intentional action as its unrealistic and detrimental to gameplay

between your tanks, TOW armed APCs, HATs, TOWs and CAS you have plenty of tools to realistically destroy the enemy armour.

want to ram Helicopters into stuff? go play vbf2.

Tarranauha200 · Post by **Tarranauha200** » 2011-09-02 16:51

No, attempt to land if your helicopter is damaged. The chance of hitting, AND killing tank is too small.

Anyway theres AT for it.

ComradeHX · Post by **ComradeHX** » 2011-09-02 17:09

The only decent way of killing a Tank with a trans. chopper is with an HAT kit on a chopper than you can shoot out of.

KEIOS · Post by **KEIOS** » 2011-09-02 18:10

I would prefer to have a teammate crashing his helo into an enemy tank, than being wiped out by this tank. ^^

Mikemonster · Post by **Mikemonster** » 2011-09-02 19:10

It's an explait caused by PR's small view distance.

In 'real life' if a helicopter gets within 2km of a tank it's f00ked.

Therefore it's the same as suicide attacks with C4 in vBF2, an exploit and not to be allowed.

Any exploit can be excused by saying 'for the good of the team' etc. But at the end of the day it's just an exploit - Play vBF2 if you want that (there are loads, it was basically my play style to abuse Claymores, noob tubes, and Friendly Fire Off settings).

Gracler · Post by **Gracler** » 2011-09-03 01:50

Mikemonster wrote:

Any exploit can be excused by saying 'for the good of the team' etc. But at the end of the day it's just an exploit - Play vBF2 if you want that (there are loads, it was basically my play style to abuse Claymores, noob tubes, and Friendly Fire Off settings).

cant agree more. If people thinks that using a 10 mio.$ helicopter as a turtle missile is okay then they should rethink why they are playing project reality, and not Vbf2.

I'm just guessing but in real life a helicopter crashing into a tank would only immobile the tank...the crew would survive properly, and some of the parts from the tank reused.

Bringerof_D · Post by **Bringerof_D** » 2011-09-03 02:04

a helicopter crashing into an MBT would not destroy it IRL...the chopper would be totaled and the tank might need to change it's barrel back at base. but it would hardly be destroyed. < THIS is why it is an exploit. Damage factors in the BF2 engine simply cant reflect real life

Jolly · Post by **Jolly** » 2011-09-03 03:03

[R-DEV]Rudd wrote:its a stupid tactic which usually screws your team as they rely on the helo's supply crates and transportation

any reputable server bans such an intentional action as its unrealistic and detrimental to gameplay

between your tanks, TOW armed APCs, HATs, TOWs and CAS you have plenty of tools to realistically destroy the enemy armour.

want to ram Helicopters into stuff? go play vbf2.

I dont like that tactic!!And that's aganist this game ,isn't it???
I got an ideal here,can DEVs decrease the damage of a crashing transhelo which crash to a tank or apc?

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