Javelin

Leo · Post by **Leo** » 2006-12-17 13:51

I don't know if there is a MEC/PLA counterpart, but what about a Javelin for the AT Kit instead of what we have now?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FGM-148_Javelin

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2006-12-17 15:32

Leo wrote:I don't know if there is a MEC/PLA counterpart, but what about a Javelin for the AT Kit instead of what we have now?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FGM-148_Javelin

This has been suggested several times. Please do a search.

The Javelin is in use by US and UK forces and we will eventually be including it for both, once it is modeled and coded. And no, there is not a fire-and-forget shoulder-launched system in service with or in production by China or France or Russia (major arms suppliers to the Middle East).

Leo · Post by **Leo** » 2006-12-17 16:55

Oh, sorry, i didn't see anything in the search.

mavit · Post by **mavit** » 2006-12-17 19:27

Will it have the same firing system? i.e will it bang fire out about 20 yards and then fire the main rocket bit and shoot off or will it be firing main strate out the canister?

i hope that made sense

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2006-12-17 21:33

mavit wrote:Will it have the same firing system? i.e will it bang fire out about 20 yards and then fire the main rocket bit and shoot off or will it be firing main strate out the canister?

i hope that made sense

You mean a soft-launch? I don't know; I hope we can get it to work like that without using too much memory resources.

dunkellic · Post by **dunkellic** » 2006-12-17 21:50

'[R-DEV wrote:Eddie Baker']This has been suggested several times. Please do a search.

The Javelin is in use by US and UK forces and we will eventually be including it for both, once it is modeled and coded. And no, there is not a fire-and-forget shoulder-launched system in service with or in production by China or France or Russia (major arms suppliers to the Middle East).

whats with the newest kornet rifles? (for example those, that were used in the war between israel and hisbollah, quite a few merkavas were taken out by them)

edit: rifle my ***, it should be missiles of course..

bullit_toof · Post by **bullit_toof** » 2006-12-17 22:17

Was the Javelin the one that the commando's were using on the panorama documentary at the end picking off the odd taliban?

Mekstizzle · Post by **Mekstizzle** » 2006-12-17 22:25

No, it was the one used against the tripods in War of the Worlds. Cmon man, keep up!

I don't see why the Javelin is needed, the SRAW is similair except from that it has shorter range. Plus i thought PR wanted to get away from the fire and forget warfare. If you're going to include the Javelin then include Mavericks and Hellfires on Helicopters/Jets. It's the 21st Century guys. Like I said before, Keep up.

bullit_toof · Post by **bullit_toof** » 2006-12-17 22:30

That movie sucked. Tom Cruise needs a javelin shoving somewhere.

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2006-12-17 22:33

dunkellic wrote:whats with the newest kornet rifles? (for example those, that were used in the war between israel and hisbollah, quite a few merkavas were taken out by them)

edit: rifle my ***, it should be missiles of course..

They're manportable (disassembled) over a short distance with a crew of three or two, but can only be fired from a mount. Seems to be a very good system, but it's not a "fire-and-forget" weapon; it uses LOS laser guidance, so the operator still has to have sights on the target at all times during flight.

The METIS (NATO reporting name Saxhorn) uses older SACLOS wire-guidance, but is more portable and can be launched from the operator's shoulder. The METIS and the Eryx are, as far as I know, the only SACLOS guided missiles that can be shoulder launched.

The Spike ATGM (designed/produced in Israel and Germany) is fire-and-forget, but from what I understand, can only be fired from a mount (which I guess is due to its design, because it doesn't weigh too much more than the Javelin when assembled).

Mekstizzle wrote:I don't see why the Javelin is needed, the SRAW is similair except from that it has shorter range. Plus i thought PR wanted to get away from the fire and forget warfare. If you're going to include the Javelin then include Mavericks and Hellfires on Helicopters/Jets. It's the 21st Century guys. Like I said before, Keep up.

Hellfires are on the helicopters, but they don't work like they should. And if/when they do work like they should, they aren't going to be fire-and-forget, unless they're the MMW radar guided kind. Laser-guided Hellfires still require the gunner to track the target if he is not handing it off to another designator.

As for the SRAW, it was intended as a replacement for the M136 (AT4) as a single-shot disposable anti-armor weapon, but the program has been put on hold indefinitely. Follow your own advice- keep-up.

Lean_Six_Sigma · Post by **Lean_Six_Sigma** » 2006-12-18 18:45

Please don't flame me if I'm wrong.

I just finished reading Roughneck Nine-One. The story is about a sqad of Green B's that get caught by a mechinized force of Iraqi's. With the aid of the Javelin missle system, the took out 6 tanks, and about 5 LAV's all with single hits from the Javelin. These were all top down shot's hitting in the front quarter of the MBT all of which knocked them out. One of the LAV's burned so hot that the tracks melted into the road. This happened after the crew compartment over-pressurized and blew the supported soldiers out the back of the LAV.

I love the RPG weapons right now, but I'd like to see a Javelin attached to the CLU firing unit. One shot without reload, but the main battle tank can't take a hit from the front. IRL once activated, you've just pulled the pin on a grenade. You can't run or move quickly without having issues. But the system is fire and forget.

Gaz · Post by **Gaz** » 2006-12-18 18:50

The Javelin AT system is planned for be included at some stage in PR's production

Just back a month ago from a commander's course on the Javelin, so we aren't short of info/specs/refs on it

ApatheticI · Post by **ApatheticI** » 2006-12-18 18:53

http://battlefieldsingleplayer.planetba ... topic=6585
boom.

yay Satnav from the BFSP forum!

Gaz · Post by **Gaz** » 2006-12-18 19:01

holy shit....

Post by **fuzzhead** » 2006-12-18 19:07

somebody get that man onto the PR team stat!!!!!!

ApatheticI · Post by **ApatheticI** » 2006-12-18 19:11

he just quit the AI-X team not too long ago, and i'm pretty sure he lets mods use it at their free will, that's what he said in his last release of stuff. (custom grappling hook, Desert Eagle, some AA vehicles) try registering and PMing him if you can use it

Vega · Post by **Vega** » 2006-12-18 19:22

Dude.....that's amazing...... SATNAV YOU ARE THE MAN.

bullit_toof · Post by **bullit_toof** » 2006-12-18 19:28

That is so freaking awesome. PR guys you know what to do. This has got to be another heavy AT class. That thing rules and works like the real thing. How PR do you want it!!

SiN|ScarFace · Post by **SiN|ScarFace** » 2006-12-18 19:37

See now there is no excuse, someone did all the hard work for you all you gotta do is acquire it for us.

ApatheticI · Post by **ApatheticI** » 2006-12-18 20:02

wow, finally a post of mine that people pay attention to! Hope it makes it into PRM